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BLM to kill hundreds of desert tortoises as its conservation center runs out of money

Sun, August 25 2013 at 17:45

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Pete - #1 - 2013-08-25 18:24 - (Reply)

This doesn't have to be. Elected officials ought to step up!

susan carter - #1.1 - 2013-08-25 20:48 - (Reply)

Ever think of turning them lose out in the Desert? What total morons at BLM. Ted Turner has a Desert Conservency in NM. Give them to him!

Joe - #1.1.1 - 2013-08-26 11:55 - (Reply)

If you knew anything about Desert Tortoises you would know that releasing them back into the wild will do more harm than good. Why you ask?

Desert Tortoises in captivity are exposed to bacteria, germs, and a whole host of other things that if not for their human care in captivity they would die.

Releasing captive tortoises back into the wild puts the native population at risk and with no defense against the foreign bacteria etc. they are being exposed too.

CommonSense - # - 2013-08-26 14:20 - (Reply)

These creatures have preserved for HOW LONG? And without human contact. Let them go and the best case scenario is that they adapt to their surroundings and live. Worse case scenario, they die a natural death.
There is no best case scenario from the BLM only a worse case scenario: they are murdered.

Give them a chance! Oh wait their presence might disrupt the money and land deals! Can't have them disrupting that greed. Don't forget about the money the government will fund them for the euthanasia process. Read (besides the company press release).Think (besides just thinking what you are told). Wake up (because one day YOU might be in there way, they want the land and you are on).

Angela - # - 2013-08-27 18:34 - (Reply)


Victor - # - 2013-08-26 18:45 - (Reply)

Not so! They are not so delicate and infectious. This is a big lie having been told for years by BLM and the tortise foundation trying to keep people from taking wild tortises from the wild.
I have had a tortise for 30 plus years and they are very hearty animals.

VICTORIA DRISCOLL - #1.1.2 - 2013-08-26 12:44 - (Reply)

How can we contact Ted Turner's association to see if he can help?

karen ritter - #1.1.3 - 2013-08-26 20:44 - (Reply)

my understanding is that tortoises cannot be relocated.

robert monoson - # - 2013-08-27 13:50 - (Reply)

its better to TRY to relocate them instead of letting them be executed.

carlnoecker - #1.1.4 - 2013-08-27 20:20 - (Reply)

Really? You really think animals that are being cared for in a domesticated environment will be able to survive in the desert? That's like saying let's turn you loose in the desert and see how long you survive. Or hey- I can't care for my dog anymore, so I'm going to let it loose in the the desert because they can survive. Common sense much?? Maybe before calling someone else an idiot you should take a look in the mirror.

Jeff Beck - #1.2 - 2013-08-25 22:11 - (Reply)

There is no money in it for them Pete. :(

Debbie - #1.2.1 - 2013-08-25 23:25 - (Reply)

I have a desert tortoise I live on 10 acres you can bring as many tortoises to my house As you want! please this is ridiculous you cannot kill them there's already not very many left ....

Ruby - # - 2013-08-27 07:41 - (Reply)

Good for you Debbie, I hope they contact you...

Lynne L. Fessenden - # - 2013-08-27 14:30 - (Reply)

I really hope you're able to take some in. Need help?

Melissa - #1.3 - 2013-08-25 23:20 - (Reply)

Let the general public adopt them....Arizona Sonora Desert Musuem here in Tucson has a tortoise adoption for private individuals. Captive tortoises CANNOT be released back out into the desert as most are infected with an upper respiratory virus that would further spread.

Linda Lewis - #1.3.1 - 2013-08-26 08:36 - (Reply)

That's a great idea....let people adopt them for a small fee and people will do it and BLM will get a little money in sad it's all about the money.

laraha - #1.3.2 - 2013-08-26 13:22 - (Reply)

blm has stringent guidelines that must be followed in order to adopt a tortoise.

Ingrid Swift - # - 2013-08-27 01:23 - (Reply)

Yeah, they rather kill them than adopt them out? If they knew they were running out of funds, why in the hell did they not start looking for ways to get them to other rescues or finding suitable adopters?
Why is it, that the answer, every time an animal becomes a problem, is to kill it? How about taking responsibility for a problem we must likely created in the first place, and do whatever it takes to fix it without causing harm to innocent animals who never asked to be put in that position! People make me sick!

Brigitte Cavanagh - #1.4 - 2013-08-26 18:31 - (Reply)

There is always a way if you have enough heart you will fight for the tortoises turtle !!!

Come on show me some goodness in all of you and yes you can do it even if its some of your own money, you will end up looking very good but do the opposite and people will not like you anymore.

Sandy - #1.5 - 2013-08-27 14:53 - (Reply)

I'm with you! And I live in Nevada and I'm a registered voter. Elected officials in Nevada will lose at least one vote over this if they don't do something about it. I'll be looking for action from somebody!

Julia Ellis - #2 - 2013-08-25 18:26 - (Reply)

This doesn't have to happen...the government has money somewhere. I know there is so much waste and overpayment for government contracts. FIND THE MONEY AND SAVE THE LITTLE CREATURES.

Anonymous - #2.1 - 2013-08-26 13:17 - (Reply)

Wake up. We are 17 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt! Or close to it. I know, that number is so big it is hard to conceive how deep the debt is. There is no money!

CM - #2.1.1 - 2013-08-26 16:37 - (Reply)

The US spends more on defense each year than China, Russia, and eight other countries COMBINED. There is money.

There is money and it's being shunted lopsidedly to other things.

Raise More Hell - #2.1.2 - 2013-08-26 23:21 - (Reply)

We're about to find the money to bomb Syria. We just built 3 $15 million Border Patrol facilities on the Canadian border in Washington state. We have somewhere near 800 foreign military bases around the world. Tax Wall Street and the 1%, invest in a sustainable economy, and we'll pay that debt off. Keep believing Wall Street lies and we'll be back in the Dark Ages. The only question is whether we'll breech their walled enclaves and take them with us. I'm betting yes.

These tortoises must be saved. How is the BLM exempt from the Endangered Species Act? Looks like we need to strengthen it.

Debbie - #3 - 2013-08-25 18:49 - (Reply)

Why are they not offering these tortoises to zoos and aquariums across the country??? Or to other animal sanctuaries???

smokeysdad - #4 - 2013-08-25 18:54 - (Reply)

Why is the BLM's only answer to KILL everything? What kind of people do we have working for us?


Lisa Arnold - #4.1 - 2013-08-25 22:43 - (Reply)

Surely there must be a better way, adopt them out, give to zoos, aquariums, sanctuaries, preserves, or let them loose in the dessert, but don't kill them. Unbelievable this agency has no integrity whatsoever.

Jerry Tuttle - #4.1.1 - 2013-08-26 03:51 - (Reply)

I believe if got involved not only as a vehicle to stop the killing but also to as advertised on their site "adoption" a good majority of these animals might. It needs to be done expeditiously.

The tortoises get in the way of projects and they change the laws so the companies liability if they kill a few is negated.

I think there are enough Turtle Tortoise Club & Rescues as to absorb these guys and provide perpetual care and/or placement into that.

The communities which have permits to adopt or foster could be contacted while "humane" provision to adopt to qualified clubs and individuals be granted.

Anonymous - #4.1.2 - 2013-08-26 19:28 - (Reply)

My brother works at at elementary school in Arlington VA, and takes care of 5-6 tortoises. The kids get to learn about tortoises, my brother loves it, and the tortoises get to LIVE.

susan uhland - #4.2 - 2013-08-26 02:37 - (Reply)

this is ridiculous!! anyone of the suggestions that have been made by the other people who have commented would solve the problem! what do we pay you for anyway?? get it together, and think of a different solution than killing, like adoption or asking for donations.

Tom - #4.3 - 2013-08-26 14:24 - (Reply)

I own 20+ acres in the desert south west, my land is free to house any and all of this little animals.
I will even drive to pick them up at NO expense to the government!

Sandy Moore-Furneaux - #5 - 2013-08-25 18:56 - (Reply)

Why don't they offer the tortoises to herpers? Wouldn't giving them to others to care for be better than murdering them??????

Connie Lee - #6 - 2013-08-25 18:57 - (Reply)

With all the money the government wastes, this is not an option.

jes - #7 - 2013-08-25 19:01 - (Reply)

Egregious, unnecessary, adhorant... i could go on. dismantle the BLM now. they are a useless killing entity!

maria s - #7.1 - 2016-05-03 21:37 - (Reply)

DEFUND and DISMANTLE BLM with fish/wildlife services Those rogue agencies SLAUGHTER MILLIONS of wild animals EVERY YEAR in the USA What a bunch of ruthless idiots!

Kathyrn l. Crawford - #8 - 2013-08-25 19:33 - (Reply)

This is so wrong.. I have a huge yard and would be will to take some. Stop this..

Donna Hix - #9 - 2013-08-25 19:37 - (Reply)

This is ludicrous. The government pays $1000 for a hammer or a light bulb, then, doesn't have enough money to care for endangered tortoises and wants to slaughter them! What kind of people make these decisions -- a bunch of sociopaths??!!......Send them to zoos & sanctuaries across the nation, relocate them to a more suitable area in the wild, or even offer them as pets with detailed instructions (I'll take a few!), rather than mercilessly murder them. At least, they'd have a chance for life. It was fine to put them in a "sanctuary," when it meant someone being able to destroy their habitat and reap big profits, but, now they're inconvenient!.....How pathetically miserable and unethical. Our government needs to grow a conscience. Please, save these tortoises. They do not deserve to be killed as a non-priority. So sad and just plain wrong.

carol kyer - #10 - 2013-08-25 19:42 - (Reply)

This wicked Killing machine OF THE USA government > the BLM iS out OF Control; ! AND NEEDS PUT OUT OF BUSINESS AND HELd ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MILLIONS OF WILD LIFE THEY HAVE EXTERMINATED! Wild horses /burros/ wolves/ coyotes,bears /mountain lines / otters / badgers on & 0n. Why does this stupid lazy heartless government hate animals so much? And misuse tax dollars they have used to wipe out animals. It is time to audit fine jail and disband this branch permanently ! Why do these gov. people be have in such a sinister way as to wipe out animals? Whats in it for this government??? they are ruthless monsters like Hitler.

debbie reimers - #10.1 - 2013-08-25 22:45 - (Reply)

i like carol and a few others why is it the gov.only way is killing- know there is money ask obama and people have big yd why is it every ones first instinst is to kill we r savages causes thats there first instinst find the money donate set the tortoises free anything but killing them

Kathleen - #10.2 - 2016-05-07 06:20 - (Reply)

What is happening at this point? I totally agree that that BLM is a killing machine.What you said is the truth.

Anonymous - #11 - 2013-08-25 19:56 - (Reply)

why is it ALWAYS the animals that pay, we take there home lands put houses on it, take them out to god knows where and now there going to be killed, There is grant money that no ones knows how to get from the govermment so just put it to the tortoises care

Willy - #12 - 2013-08-25 19:57 - (Reply)

Um...or they could just open the gate. It' sot like they really need humans to care for them. Just to let them alone.

Peach Reid - #13 - 2013-08-25 19:58 - (Reply)

Just another government strategy to try to get those of us who care to support this worthwhile effort, to support governments unending need for $. We can save these animals in other, less costly ways.

Valerie Jordan - #14 - 2013-08-25 20:00 - (Reply)

I would gladly take a couple to go with the one I already have. I have a large fenced yard for them to roam and lots of Bermuda grass for them to munch on. If anyone knows if they will allow adoption please let me know. I am willing to travel to pick them up.

pat - #15 - 2013-08-25 20:05 - (Reply)

this is messed up the gov can kill these great animals but yet let no one own them were is the logic in that and wildlife took away my desert tortoise that I had for 30yrs what a shame I still cant sleep because of it I love him and im gonna fight to get him back he wasn't just a pet he was my buddy... for those of u who had the privilege to own 1 u know what im talking ABOUT THEY R VERY SMART AND PERSONABLE.. I MISS MY CACTUS.. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SAVE THESE PRESIOUS ANIMALS

Linda Horn - #16 - 2013-08-25 20:20 - (Reply)

Pity the lowly reptiles! If they were Sage Grouse or Bighorn Sheep the entire West would be screaming in outrage.

Lisa Jablow - #17 - 2013-08-25 21:31 - (Reply)

This is just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from the BLM. Never make a plan for any contingencies and then, when they hit the wall they always opt for just killing the problem off--literally. Never think things through and never plan for the worst. Just blunder on through until their back is to the wall and blast the problem away. Idiots...

Jeff Buecking - #18 - 2013-08-25 21:38 - (Reply)

Is this some kind of sick joke? Turn them over to another wildlife conservation organization to release in appropriate habitat. JFC!!!

Kelsie Aman - #19 - 2013-08-25 21:42 - (Reply)

What can we do to put a stop to this? Is there a petition that can be signed?

Also I don't understand why not just enforce an additional property owner tax to those in the homes that displaced these animals...There is no zoo's that could take them...Relocating them to another part of the desert?...seems so many other answers...why murder them?

Toby Derbyshire - #20 - 2013-08-25 21:57 - (Reply)

How is it that an endangered species can be slaughtered like this? The agencies that are responsible for their protection are the same ones killing them. Have they ever thought of adopting them out? There are plenty of Zoos, Museums, Nature Centers, and even just regular people who would gladly take care of these animals. This a classic example of how protecting a species has backfired. The authorities don't want people to have them, because they're "protected" and would rather take their lives. Just remember this is how your tax dollars are spent. We pay these people to tell us we can't keep a tortoise without their permission. They'd rather kill them. I think the real protection the animals need is protection from the authorities.

William White - #21 - 2013-08-25 22:00 - (Reply)

DO not Kill them Adopt them out to people who will take care of them I would take a few at least they would survive. there are probably hundreds if not thousands of people willing to adopt a desert tortoise.......

june ahearn - #22 - 2013-08-25 22:06 - (Reply)

PLEASE DONT KILL THESE POOR DEFENSELESS creatures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! adopting them out is such a more humane thing to do....

Mark Bahti - #23 - 2013-08-25 22:16 - (Reply)

simple solution - do what the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum does:

Mark Bahti - #24 - 2013-08-25 22:20 - (Reply)

simple solution - do what the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum does: adopt them out

Mimi Leland - #25 - 2013-08-25 22:26 - (Reply)

This is insane thinking -- we can't afford to keep them safe, so we will kill them?!? What happened to reaching out to the community for adopters? This is an endangered species -- isn't killing them illegal?!? The BLM is running an animal concentration camp and committing genocide -- I bet there are posters up on the gas chamber walls talking about nature and the good of all.

William White - #25.1 - 2013-08-25 22:30 - (Reply)

yep and they will do it to us next first the tortoises then the Humans

Emilia - #26 - 2013-08-25 22:29 - (Reply)

I literally can't think of a worse option than killing them, nor anything to justify this decision. Even releasing them into a random place would be better, at least some of them might live. JEESH. Terrible.

Tracy McKendry - #27 - 2013-08-25 22:32 - (Reply)

Zoos, Wildlife refuge! Come On!

Bonnie Despain - #28 - 2013-08-25 22:40 - (Reply)

I see several alternatives above. How about the Desert Tortoise Preserve in southern Utah?

Vicky Cali-smith - #29 - 2013-08-25 22:41 - (Reply)

i don't even have words to show how angry i am about this. this is citizen blackmail, as in, "hey, if we put this story out there that we are going to kill them, then all of us will donate and the bml will get what they want, the greedy sob's!! Desert Tortisious (Can't spell) are loving and smart. I had a couple of them when I lived in Vegas, and they are awesome pets, even though you don't see them during the winter! lol

Marc Severson - #30 - 2013-08-25 22:41 - (Reply)


Rick vawter - #30.1 - 2013-08-26 00:52 - (Reply)

Oh my God! I'll take one, we had one the entire time I was growing up, they are easy to care for, and they make great house pets as well.

mike - #31 - 2013-08-25 22:55 - (Reply)

Lets take one million dollars off of obamas next vacation in a few more weeks and pay for their care ..I am sure we would miss the tortoises much more than oone more game of golf ! If obama doesn't fix this then he sucks even more than I already thought ,and I didn't think that was possble

Sue ann Floyd - #31.1 - 2013-08-28 03:21 - (Reply)

It has been shown to be myth the statements about President Obama has taken more vacations than other presidents. His numbers of vacations pale compared to the vacations of President George w and other republicans. You just use any occasion to bring up your hatred for our President and you listen to Fox News lies to fuel your hatred of the black man in office. He has nothing whatsoever to do with the problem of the tortoises, for god's sake. Leave him out of it and direct your anger in the right channels. We are having economic problems solely due to policies and actions during the Bush years--what was done during those years we will reap for perhaps forever.

Dian Woodward - #32 - 2013-08-25 22:57 - (Reply)

I will build a home for them and take care of all of them. I've always loved Tortoises.

Heather B. - #33 - 2013-08-25 23:43 - (Reply)

Is there a petition started to put them up for adoption? Or an email or letter writing campain that we can all join? If not we need one started tonight, start calling in the morning and emailing and writing. This is not acceptable.

Sara Sacks - #33.1 - 2013-08-26 09:23 - (Reply)

Exactly. Is there one set up somewhere yet?
We have an adopted desert tortoise, I love that guy.

beth - #34 - 2013-08-26 00:01 - (Reply)

Don't kill them. How can they kill them???? There are ways to save them and they know it~ If this group ends up killing these precious animals they will all and I mean everyone involved will burn in eternal hell fire!!! & They will suffer the rest of their lives and loose all the people they love to horrible disease.

Maddy - #35 - 2013-08-26 00:15 - (Reply)

I live in hot dry Texas. I'll take em all! Where do I pick em up?

Cindy Vedder - #36 - 2013-08-26 00:33 - (Reply)

I just started a petition on the White House Petitions site, We the
People. Will you sign it?

Pamela Davis - #36.1 - 2013-08-27 15:44 - (Reply)

Where is the petition can you forward me the link?

charlene swankie - #36.1.1 - 2013-08-27 20:13 - (Reply)

someone said they took the petition down? I don't know for sure.

Dan F - #37 - 2013-08-26 01:17 - (Reply)

I never heard of anything as selfish and demeaning as this.Just the fact they would even consider this is discusting. I hope that there is a backlash over this in a big way and those involved are held accountable. Adopt them out to anyone who will take them (Canada could use some) it's better than just killing them, what a total disrespect for life,discusting

Rick Vawter - #38 - 2013-08-26 01:24 - (Reply)

Thank you Cindy, I signed your petition.
I live on Reno And some of the tortoises that are at this refuge came from a house here in Reno that had a fire several years ago. I was a firefighter on duty and rescued many many of these tortiouses.
Here is a link to the tortoise group in Las Vegas and their phone number for adoptions.

I am going to call them tomorrow And see what they know about this, and find out about adopting a tortoise.

madisen - #39 - 2013-08-26 01:38 - (Reply)

I signed the petition! I have also posted links on facebook pages for repticon, reptiles magazine, sea turtle conservation, along with two reptile rescues.

One of the problems is that this land is available for purchase. We need to stop habitat encroachment and save these guys. Perhaps there is a way to buy up as much of the land as possible to preserve it and continue protecting these amazing animals.

Nikili - #40 - 2013-08-26 02:41 - (Reply)

Oh goodness. No money? Can't you organize a fundraiser, or get money from that government of yours that doesn't mid sending billions t Israel?
Are you kidding me?

Dave Kisor - #41 - 2013-08-26 02:42 - (Reply)

What else would you expect from a gooberment that believes cruise missiles are the answer to everything? Is there any question why there are those who say BLM stands for Bureau of Lost Minds?

Rip Lonergan - #42 - 2013-08-26 03:23 - (Reply)

Maybe we should euthanize the BLM?

Sue Griffiths - #42.1 - 2013-08-26 20:04 - (Reply)

Best idea I've heard in a long time.

Dami - #43 - 2013-08-26 04:43 - (Reply)

Why can't they just release the turtles into the wild? why do they have to kill them?

con keller - #43.1 - 2013-08-26 12:59 - (Reply)

Look at the answers above. At the beginning of this chain of texts and you will find your answer as to why they can't just release them back into the wild. It is not safe for the tortoise.

Jeffrey - #44 - 2013-08-26 04:56 - (Reply)

WHAT? How can I adopt one?? My father has a decent back yard in the CA desert. We could totally take care of one! We had one when I was a child (until he escaped by digging under the fence.) Anyone have any info as to how I can save at least one??

Jeffrey - #45 - 2013-08-26 04:58 - (Reply)

If anyone has any information as to how i can adopt one please let me know. I go to vegas from CA every month.

Danielle - #46 - 2013-08-26 06:26 - (Reply)

Further proof that industry can't be trusted to compensate for the destruction created by its projects/profits over the long term.

Wolf Leonard - #47 - 2013-08-26 07:02 - (Reply)

I agree with everything that's been posted before here. It's government business as usual, targeting emotional and social issues under the pretense of funding cuts --- fire and police protection, teachers, libraries, national parks ... now turtles.

Jimmy - #48 - 2013-08-26 07:11 - (Reply)

Once again the dysfunctional government destroys another program they set up. Do they ever think about the future when they put these plans together. Take the special health care and retirement programs away from the elected officials and donate the money to these programs.

JP - #49 - 2013-08-26 07:27 - (Reply)

Where is all that funding they charge at the DMV for the tortoise and burros going?
Who's pockets?

ECS - #50 - 2013-08-26 07:33 - (Reply)

It is the BLM that should be shuttered. Amazing how the only answer they can ever come up with is to kill everything with as much brutality as possible.

Cody - #51 - 2013-08-26 07:57 - (Reply)

If there is a hell... I those who commit atrocities like this all across our planet find themselves there.

Caroline Mueller - #52 - 2013-08-26 08:12 - (Reply)

What kind of a budget does the BLM have to work with? I am only reading of shortfalls in money for wild horses, now it is land tortoise habitat. Where are they spending it, in relation to personal wages. Sounds like the BLM is living in an expensive house but the individuals they are paid to protect are dying? Where are the figures?

Mark Pinder - #53 - 2013-08-26 09:04 - (Reply)

Why can't we just turn them loose on the BLM Land?

RWordplay - #54 - 2013-08-26 09:32 - (Reply)

Must simply not be allowed to happen. The precedent its sets, the responsibilities it allows government employees to evade, the consciousness it represents, all forebode a range of stupid, if not evil decisions.

Kathy Spears - #55 - 2013-08-26 09:48 - (Reply)

Inhumane and wrong. As a people, we have a responsibility to protect all animals.

Irma - #56 - 2013-08-26 09:59 - (Reply)

Im all for adopting a few they are mArvelouse creAtures who should be saved not destroyed something should be done to stop this maddness

maggie mae - #57 - 2013-08-26 10:03 - (Reply)

Why the FUCK don't they adopt them out? Why don't they make the developers pay for them? Ask the casinos to help? Las Vegas people get your shit together! Fuck. I could find homes for some but, live in Arizona. Such a shame. This must be stopped!

denise - #58 - 2013-08-26 10:10 - (Reply)

they can be taken to an island where they will no be prey there are small pockets of islands where they can live out their life without fear of loosing this creature forever

Roy Vanderleelie - #59 - 2013-08-26 10:12 - (Reply)

Typical bureaucratic way of handling things, just kill everything so the developers can have their way. Time to stand up to these morons and show them who they work for for. This is so absurd, stop sending OUR tax dollars to the rag heads in the Middle East and spend it at home.

dawn - #60 - 2013-08-26 10:13 - (Reply)

I will take some! Please dont kill them!!!

Rick - #61 - 2013-08-26 10:23 - (Reply)

Nevada is sooooo picky about who can adopt them and they set the levels so high about 3% of the people who put in for adoption don't make it. And there tortoise site on making a habitat for tortoise sucks. Arizona has great sites on how to create habitats for tortoises no questions asked. Nevada wants to know why and who you are before you get info. They are tying there self’s up with bureaucratic bull and people who would rather kill them than let people who want to adopt them try. at least they will have a fighting chance.

Anonymous - #62 - 2013-08-26 11:14 - (Reply)

WHF are you killing turtles?? when you tried to save them in the first place. Makes no sense!!!

david smith - #63 - 2013-08-26 11:22 - (Reply)
link to gov page and petition need a lot of signatures before response. direct calls e/m and letters would help im sure

heather - #63.1 - 2013-08-26 11:39 - (Reply)

thank you!

Anonymous - #64 - 2013-08-26 11:31 - (Reply)

Ever think of making a HOA fee for these communities that displace the turtles and charge a small fee to cover the cost of relocation or the overhead of the BLM?

Ryan - #65 - 2013-08-26 11:54 - (Reply)

But yet the Federal Govt will spend million $ for a birthday party for the prez..

Linda Horn - #66 - 2013-08-26 12:01 - (Reply)

From my experience, the White House Petition "opportunity" is a farce. For one thing, there have to be 100,000 signatures in 30 days for Obama (more likely some low-level assistant) to even read them. Then you get a "canned" response. Anyone who signed the numerous Marijuana petitions with HUGE followings figured that out. IMO, and are better vehicles and reach a wider audience.

Linda Horn - #67 - 2013-08-26 12:20 - (Reply)

Ask, and ye shall receive! Petition posted 3 hours ago. Comment, sign, and share, Share SHARE!!!

Sheila Bullock - #68 - 2013-08-26 12:20 - (Reply)

Why would they even consider this, there are so many people who would love to care for one of these gentle creatures, and I am sure schools would love to have this addition to their classrooms. I owned one for 20 some odd years while my children were growing up and they are wonderful. This is just more BLM BS!!!!

Jack Jackson - #69 - 2013-08-26 12:29 - (Reply)

I don't support terrorism, but in this case I would not be surprised if some of those BLM people who kill these endangered animals might end up being endangered themselves.

Brandon - #70 - 2013-08-26 12:33 - (Reply)

The Red Cliffs Desert Reserve in St George, UT was established just for the desert tortoise. This reserve is 100 miles from Las Vegas. Why not release them to a protected desert just for the tortoise.

Josh - #71 - 2013-08-26 12:40 - (Reply)

I understand that releasing them into the wild is dangerous since they were raised in captivity but if officials give the option to release them or kill them I say release them. It at least gives them a fighting chance to develop immunities which this species has done for hundreds of years. It sucks but killing them offers no chance.

Kim - #72 - 2013-08-26 12:43 - (Reply)

Where is the CBD or Sierra Club? Will they not step in and block the slaughter of these protected creatures when off-road vehicles are not involved. I guess its not just the nasty off roaders tho are killing the tortoise now, are they?

This is ridiculous. This is either a red herring for the BLM to cry for more money or pure incompetence in BLM leadership.

Adopt the creatures out. Let responsible citizens adopt and care for the.

Shannon - #73 - 2013-08-26 12:46 - (Reply)

I had a California Desert tortoise for over 20 years when he finally passed away at a ripe old age of 90+ years old. He was registered with the California Turtle Tortoise Society, though he was not adopted through them.

There are adoption programs out there that will bring money into the facility and raise awareness. There is no reason why the BLM has to euthanize perfectly healthy animals. They do it because they want to conserve funding and "culling" is the cheapest option. I call bull shit!

melissa - #74 - 2013-08-26 12:54 - (Reply)

Terrible! Please do not murder these defensless animals. Think of something!!!!!!

Reagan - #75 - 2013-08-26 13:02 - (Reply)

Everyone, please make sure to head over to the White House petitions website and sign the petition to help save these poor guys

Justin McColley - #76 - 2013-08-26 13:16 - (Reply)

Absolutely despicable! Why not adopt them out?

Linda Horn - #77 - 2013-08-26 13:29 - (Reply)

Please sign and SHARE!!!

C Myers - #78 - 2013-08-26 14:01 - (Reply)

Petition The White House to save the Nevada tortoises:

Charlene Swankie - #79 - 2013-08-26 14:18 - (Reply)

Isn't there a Federal Law against disturbing or harming the endangered Desert tortoises? How is it the BLM is exempt from this law. I have a friend in Tuscon AZ whose house was built around or over a tortoise borrow/cave... unknown to everyone. Once she moved in and things settled down, the tortoises came out and have lived happily in her yard every since, decades now. Her neighbors tell the same story. We can live in peace with them for the rest of our lives. Let people adopt them. BLM, you are not exempt form the laws.

tpjones - #80 - 2013-08-26 14:19 - (Reply)

I have room for 2 in my yard if they can get them to me.

lorie parker - #81 - 2013-08-26 14:36 - (Reply)

I tried tp call the tortiosegroup....needless to say no humans no connecting links... the petition from above has no link...if i can get the link to work it needs to go viral

Tina Manley - #81.1 - 2013-08-26 14:52 - (Reply)

I Share My Home And Life With A African Tortoise And This Makes Me Sick!!!
I Would LOVE To Take One of These Amazing Animals Into My Home.
My King Koopa Could Always Use A Big Brother Or Sister To Show Him The Ropes Growing Up.
If ANYONE Gets More Info On How To Contact This Group Or How I May Be Able To Rescue One..PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!

adav - #82 - 2013-08-26 14:50 - (Reply)

Please sign this petition!

Michael Chastain - #83 - 2013-08-26 15:07 - (Reply)

A. It's not a BLM facility. It's a private facility that receives funding from the BLM.

B. There was never any plan to kill all the tortoises. Some that are sick or otherwise incapable of being released into the wild might have to be euthanized, though.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of forming a good lynch mob. I mean taking 30 seconds to run a Google search to see if you have the facts right before flipping the @#$% out is just asking too much.

Lorie - #84 - 2013-08-26 15:12 - (Reply)

They closed the petition!!!

Keep bugging these people I know this page doesn't link.. But it's simply bural of land management of Nevada!! Drive them NUTS

Smarter Than Most - #85 - 2013-08-26 15:14 - (Reply)


Humans and domestic dogs give them pasturella testudinus, an acute respiratory infection that's very transmissable, and invariably fatal to wild tortoises. Release infected tortoises, or carriers, and you'll see 90% die-offs in already threatened wild tortoises.

Still, the BLM has plenty of money for their useless brass, big trucks, and clueless regional/national office staff. The Nevada BLM also spends 20-30 times more money harboring "wild" horses - which are just plain exotic feral livestock and nothing more.

Still, they should adopt these tortoises out. The biggest problem with that, is that all-too-many d-bag 'animal lovers' will just take them out to the desert, hit "Born Free" on the boom box, and release 'em into wild populations....or habitat they can't exist in anyway. Unfortunately, many environmentalists have no idea about natural environments, or the species they defend.

However, fire half the BLM brass at regional and national level, anyone above GS 16, and you wouldn't have a funding problem anymore. Same goes for any of the land management agencies.

RJones - #86 - 2013-08-26 15:22 - (Reply)

I just signed the Petition regarding the Desert Tortoises. Please sign as well to help them.

Jeff Lonergan - #87 - 2013-08-26 17:05 - (Reply)

I have adopted and bred desert tortoises for over 20 years. They were protected, and we're watched out for. Now you are going to kill them? Horses that roam, you are going to kill.
I know how much it costs to feed about 20 turtles for a year. About as much as 4 Starbucks a year. And now the government chooses to destroy them?
Why not let the public have opportunity to raise these?
They have been a part of my kids growing up. And having the babies, seeing them grow, they become family.
They are very intelligent, and are very friendly, and they are not a threat to humans. To the contrary. Why not give them to schools, and retirement communities instead?

Lynn Nicholas - #88 - 2013-08-26 17:16 - (Reply)

PLEASE contact the Desert Museum in Tucson. There is a program in Tucson where individuals can adopt these tortoises. Killing them is a NOT an acceptable solution. Put out a public plea for funding... go the the developers in Nevada (the ones who took the tortoises habitat in the first place) and ask for donations that they can use as tax write-offs. There are solutions. Murder is not one them.

Greg - #89 - 2013-08-26 17:38 - (Reply)

Just set the turtles free. Why is this such a hard solution to find?

Charlene Swankie - #90 - 2013-08-26 18:36 - (Reply)

I just got this in an email from a friend - I'd encourage your group to check into the desert preserve. You can start with Senator Diane Feinstein's office. That project was here baby. If you are unaware....her husband Richard Blum had been purchasing desert land for years, not on the cheap, but the VERY cheap under the belief that eventually the demand for housing would stretch into the deserts of California and he's sell the land and make billions. He screwed up....the growth of LA continued to stick to the coastal areas and not much more than 20 miles inland. The costs associated with carrying the land were breaking him yet he couldn't sell it to get out of it. He had tried several times to do a land swap with the gov't without interest from them...they didn't need anymore desert land, so he financed and ran his wife for the Senate. Her first piece of legislation was the California Federal Tortoise Preserve. The got the act passed, and naturally they needed land....lots of land and by golly, she knew just who "might" be willing to do a swap for some prime land in downtown SF, LA, Sacramento or any other valuable land. Sadly the people don't know how these deals work. In most cases the federal gov't is restricted from selling land it owns, so say they own a lake with a thousand acres surrounding it. Most would consider that a prime piece of land and the value of it, with the lake in the middle would be quite high. So...Charlie sees an opportunity where if he had that land/lake, he could develop it and make some big money....the only problem...the gov't can't sell it. But....they have some land several counties away they'd like (for whatever reason) but don't have the money in their budget to purchase it. This is where "we the people" always get screwed. The various gov't agencies while selling land or buying land is next to impossible....swapping it can be done with little problem, but the screwing comes in because the land isn't valued on market's just an acre for acre, sq.ft for sq. ft Diane's husband was able to trade out of millions of acres of virtually worthless land for millions of acres of much more valuable, or very valuable land. And that's the story of how we got the Federal Tortoise Preserve.

Desert Dweller - #90.1 - 2013-08-27 10:30 - (Reply)

The post #90 Charlene Swanki is 100% true. Finstens Hubby has made billions from shady land deals, Enough to jail her. He has been brokering and purchasing large swaths of lands in California.Known as Catellus properties once owned by the RR companies. Conflict of interest? LOL There are enough deals to put them both into jail for many years. DF and her hubby own so much, they think the west belongs to them. Back in 90s they donated a bunch to BLM and it created new wilderness and with heavy opposition. back a couple of years ago they attempted again to add 1.1 millions of acres for even more wilderness, it keeps fizzling in DC. now we have every Tom,Dick,And Harry renewable energy company looking to develop solar and wind farms, Guess what? DIFI started pushing harder and harder to get the bill at the time # S 2921, the number has changed, but the land grab looms over us. Right in the middle of all this development VS extreme preservation is the desert tortoise. They are a tool to stop big development, like add jobs to California. DIFI could care less, she wants to lock up the entire west. Keep those air conditioners running coastal towns, There will be not enough power to keep all of them running LOL

Bull S**t - #91 - 2013-08-26 18:47 - (Reply)

Do Not believe this story! It's complete BS! Torotises are federally & internationally protected under CITES - who will come unglued if these bumpkins put the tortoises down!

Homer T. Cyrus - #92 - 2013-08-26 18:52 - (Reply)

That thare is just stupid. Take them to the beach and turn them loose. Then they can be sea turtoises.

Irene - #93 - 2013-08-26 19:04 - (Reply)

Just want to say that I think that so many people would be willing to adopt them, so no need to destroy any of them. I have a fenced pretty big yard and would love to have a couple to take care of....

George Ridler - #94 - 2013-08-26 19:25 - (Reply)

This is all about real estate. More ticky tacky quick buck shit boxes at the expense of nature.

Jimmie Lynn Dorsey - #95 - 2013-08-26 19:40 - (Reply)

please send some to me I have raised care for land turtles I'll take some to save them

Maria McGlasHAN - #96 - 2013-08-26 20:12 - (Reply)

Why not let people volunteer to take these tortoises and care for them??! I'm sure people would step up to help!

Karla Ely - #97 - 2013-08-26 20:17 - (Reply)

WTF? It seems everything the BLM touches gets the "kiss of death"... the wild mustangs, and now the tortoises... while the dam pupfish live in cushy conditions with a 24 hour closed tv monitoring system.. on a SECURE site....GRRRRRR....

johnschotsch - #98 - 2013-08-26 20:52 - (Reply)


lancechisum - #99 - 2013-08-26 21:56 - (Reply)

Just the last of Obamas doz or so lavish vacations this year cost us about 100,000,000, how long could that keep the center open? Maybe he doesn't just hate and despise the people of this nation, maybe he hates the turtles too.

Terry Rose - #100 - 2013-08-26 22:02 - (Reply)

Just so sad! Please, people, make this better! Killing protected animals because you can't care for them?? Criminal !! Just plain Criminal !!!

Cindy Vedder - #101 - 2013-08-26 22:06 - (Reply)

The petition is NOT closed. We have 620 signatures and we have a long way to go.

Please pass this link on and let's get some help to save the tortoises!

Steve Harper - #102 - 2013-08-26 22:51 - (Reply)

how can we the people adopt them..i have homes for 10 so far

Bruch Reed - #103 - 2013-08-26 22:52 - (Reply)

Please, whoever is organizing resistance to this slaughter, please email me, send me the petition to sign, etc. I will post it and repost it on Facebook. There is no reason these animals have to die. Has anyone thought about suing the BLM for violation of the ESA or CITES?

Peter - #104 - 2013-08-26 22:57 - (Reply)

Maybe if the US govt spent a little less money on war and little more in thier own back yard this would not need to happen

E Elliott - #105 - 2013-08-26 23:03 - (Reply)

The BLM.
couldn't manage there way out of a paper bag. Lets save these turtles

Anonymous - #106 - 2013-08-26 23:10 - (Reply)

Euthanize the BLM.

narmin nasser - #107 - 2013-08-27 00:34 - (Reply)

This is outrageous. the govt needs to step up and help out and find a way to save them. they dont have the right to kill them.

Cathie Hellems Warboy - #108 - 2013-08-27 00:53 - (Reply)

Not enough words to say how horrible this is. Cindy Vedder, I just signed your petition also. Thank you for starting it.

Sylvia - #109 - 2013-08-27 01:20 - (Reply)

Is there any way to adopt them? I have 2 and would give anything to help save more!:

Emily - #110 - 2013-08-27 01:37 - (Reply)

This is from an ABC article: "scientists examined the facility's 1,400 inhabitants to find those hearty enough to release into the wild." They could release them they simply choose not to. Here is the link to the story:

"We're from the government and we're here to help" Yeah, right. I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, too!

Jean Barraza - #111 - 2013-08-27 01:41 - (Reply)

It really is a shame & heartless that our government would not only allow this to happen but are funding it? When you are desensitized to killing helpless creatures it's only a matter of time when we will become the target of extermination. Life is life, whether it's human or not.

Lori Ann - #112 - 2013-08-27 01:43 - (Reply)

So sad. These turtles should be allowed to live .

Mandarin MacLeod - #113 - 2013-08-27 02:10 - (Reply)

So, how can we help? Kudos to the lady with 10 acres for her offer. Are there rescues out there for this sort of thing? I don't know much about Herpetology, but I've always been fond of tortoises. Is there much of a force getting together to help with this?

Debleena - #114 - 2013-08-27 02:41 - (Reply)

Hence again proved , human is the most dangerous and selfish species on this planet.What a shame !!

Who are we to decide on other specie's living ? Isn't it trying to play God?

I am from a different continent, request my fellow comrades here from surrounding areas to stop The U.S. Bureau of Land Management from this brutality.

Linda - #115 - 2013-08-27 03:32 - (Reply)

why don't they put them up for adoption? They make good pets & are fairly easy to take care of. Our grandson had a pair & they even laid eggs. After they get use to you when you come into the area where their tank is, they will come over to the side of the glass near you & look at you expectantly for treats (fruit).

Andy C. Highfied - #116 - 2013-08-27 04:25 - (Reply)

This is absolutely shameful. They have plenty of money to spy on their own (and other countries) innocent citizens, plenty of money to persecute those who reveal the truth, plenty of money to start wars: but not enough to do to do the right thing by species that were there long before the human plague devastated the planet. A harmless creature that hurts no-one and threatens no-one, and that it would take (comparatively) financial peanuts to save. This tells you all you need to know about the morals, ethics and priorities of 'our leaders'. Appalling.

Clint - #117 - 2013-08-27 06:01 - (Reply)

After building the people houses, place them into the subdivision with the mindset that the grounds are kept as habitat and not "lawn".

Rosie - #118 - 2013-08-27 08:56 - (Reply)

I have 2 desert tortoises that were born in captivity at a friends house. All my friends are crazy about them and always ask me how I got them and whether they can get one!
Why can't the BLM give them up for adoption? There are people out there who HAVE the resources to look after them.
Many people don't have a clue about caring for them but neither did I, and i learned, and now mine are doing great after 5 years.

kathy - #119 - 2013-08-27 09:01 - (Reply)

is that legal to euthanize an endangered species???

Julia - #120 - 2013-08-27 09:14 - (Reply)

A petition has been started on that asks the BLM to seek alternative means to this. If you cannot locate it google Bureau of land management and desert tortoises and it should pop up. Please everyone go there and sign it, there plans for these amazing animals is horrendous.

Karen - #121 - 2013-08-27 09:19 - (Reply)

These animals need special care. The average person is not equipped to adopt one. They live over one hundred years and can reach 200 pounds. Adoption is a long term commitment. Zoos and preserves do not want them.I don't know what the answer is, but I truly hope they do not kill them. I have had one for five years. I know what it takes to keep one and it is work.

Holly - #122 - 2013-08-27 10:03 - (Reply)

Billions of taxpayer dollars being fraudulently spent on Obamaphones -- BLM could certainly use these dollars!

Hadassah - #123 - 2013-08-27 10:53 - (Reply)

i am interested in adopting-- what do i need to do? can someone direct me?

Greg - #124 - 2013-08-27 11:14 - (Reply)

I'm organizing if I am able a project for placements of these tortoises. I'm a philanthropy attorney based in Las Vegas. It will likely comprise a kick starter crowd source and finding both temporary and permanent placement for the animals so they cannot infect others of their species. If youre interested in hosting animals, you're a biologist or can otherwise provide non-financial help pleAse contact me at gsegal0. At. Yahoo. Thanks. Greg

Erin Hines - #124.1 - 2013-08-27 12:46 - (Reply)

I live in phelan ca and would be happy to take a few tortoises. I had 12 growing up.

jimny - #125 - 2013-08-27 11:37 - (Reply)

Obama's debt is Getting worse...there is no hope for us or the desert tortoise..its a shame for man kind and all animals.

Kerri Lamorey - #126 - 2013-08-27 11:38 - (Reply)

I have kept tortoises most of my life and would like to adopt one if possible.


jill - #127 - 2013-08-27 12:38 - (Reply)

perhaps a little less money to "guests" and little to the native tortoise.

Laura - #128 - 2013-08-27 12:39 - (Reply)

Leave it to the Real Estate Developers to ruin the World and all it's species that should be protected. How can we stop them?

rocketmouse - #129 - 2013-08-27 12:41 - (Reply)

I've signed the petition and sent the link to a friend in CA.
Death to the BLM!

Ed Noble - #131 - 2013-08-27 13:42 - (Reply)

I am friends with one of the Channel 13 news reporters, and showed him this article - he pitched it to the brass today! Maybe with some publicity, this crisis can be averted - I'll let you know if it gets picked up.

Linda Horn - #132 - 2013-08-27 14:12 - (Reply)

I went to the Nevada Department of Wildlife FB page, and posted the article under By Others.

Here's their reply (which someone may have already posted):

My next question was: "What"s the Land Use Plan for the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center once the healthy tortoises have been relocated?"

I doubt they'll answer, but whenever I read about something the DOI/BLM is planning, it's always good to try to find out what's coming afterward.

Pixie Geren - #133 - 2013-08-27 14:43 - (Reply)

This is absolutely ludicrous! Here people adopt them and we have a wonderful program for getting them back into the wild. BLM has no problem condemning land because they don't want to pay a fair price to the rancher/owner, so why not murder a defenseless animal? I can't stand the BLM.

skylar - #134 - 2013-08-27 15:24 - (Reply)

They are NOT euthanizing the tortoises... please check your facts before writing an article.

Linda Horn - #135 - 2013-08-27 15:48 - (Reply)

Skylar, that's a hopeful article, but I have little trust in ANYTHING that depends on the whims of our government, especially in this worsening economy and shift in national priorities. Better to take the entire project private under the auspices of a perpetual foundation.

Joan Scaparra - #136 - 2013-08-27 16:08 - (Reply)

You can sign a petition to save the tortoises. The link is below!

Tracy Warnock - #137 - 2013-08-27 17:38 - (Reply)


Dvh - #138 - 2013-08-27 19:04 - (Reply)

This facility is not a federal owned facility. They receive some funding. BLM is not the one deciding what to do...

That's the real article on this story. Looks like AP is trying to start something....

Ms. Bird - #139 - 2013-08-27 22:13 - (Reply)

HOrrible news.

Malea Gardner - #140 - 2013-08-27 23:43 - (Reply)

Give them homes, I'm sure there are alot of people that would love to have them? I had one growing up when I lived in Calif! I would take one now? Please save them, what can we do to stop this??

Patti Klingensmith - #141 - 2013-08-27 23:57 - (Reply)

I live in the desert. Have a marvelous yard they would be protected in. I could take one or two...

Shane Bruc - #142 - 2013-08-28 04:46 - (Reply)

Anyone would know that if the desert is their native habitat, simply letting them roam away would be the best effort. that such dumb humans exist is absurd. What is absurd are humans bolstering their poor egos by comparing their intelligence to other animals or things such as ROCKS as a sign of being more intelligent, if they can't or won't compare themselves to the highest standards, they should not compare at all. So many defective departments, interested in how others brilliant would approach the protecting of sanity and dismantling of yet another Bureau. Maintaining the variety of life is same as keeping your own house in order. Mentioned much about the Europeans driving GMO's out of their countries using guerilla tactics, what would have the same effect in the U.S.?

Privatizing Land Management of the U.S. sounds like a nice feather in one's cap.

Think that puts the U.S. BLM directly as Eco terrorism and extortion.

Jb - #143 - 2013-08-28 10:43 - (Reply)

This is a mis-stated article... Read the above article postings.... The facility is owned by San Diego zoo. BLM has nothing to do with this other than they said it will have to cut funding.... Research this yourselves!!!

Erica - #143.1 - 2013-08-28 14:07 - (Reply)

The article was mistaken in several important ways. No healthy tortoises are being euthanized -- only those VERY few that are too ill to be released to the wild. The BLM role has been to fund the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center. When the funds run out in 2014 the Center will likely close. But all tortoises that can be released to the wild will be. If you live in Nevada and want to adopt a tortoise, contact the Lied Animal Shelter in Las Vegas.

Linda Horn - #144 - 2013-08-28 12:34 - (Reply)

I'll never be a fan of the BLM, but Jb is right!!! This is a statement DIRECTLY from the the PR Department at the San Diego Zoo

"Thank you for your e-mail. We were surprised by the comments presented in the recent AP article as they do not represent the work of San Diego Zoo Global at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center. Please let me clarify that healthy tortoises at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center are NOT being euthanized. Those tortoises are being returned to wild populations under carefully planned releases. More information is available at

"San Diego Zoo Global remains committed to the conservation of the desert tortoise and is continuing its efforts to learn about this endangered species. Thousands of tortoises have been brought to the Desert Tortoise Center over the last several years. The animal care staff at the Center evaluate each tortoise to determine species (not all of the tortoises brought to the center are the desert tortoise species native to North America), body condition and health. Most of these tortoises are rehabilitated to a point where they can be released or placed into an adoption program. In cases where a tortoise's health is severely compromised sometimes the difficult decision to euthanize is made."

Nicki Bratz - #145 - 2013-08-28 15:05 - (Reply)

Has anyone actually read or contacted the US Bureau of Land Management Nevada?? I did in fact I even went on there site and it is the same thing they told me over the phone. They are NOT killing all these Tortoises only a few that are really sick but this wont be until 2014 and even then they are pushing to adopt 1st and the healthy ones will be sent to other sanctuaries in other states. They have no interest in killing any of them. They even but #'s on there site to adopt if anyone here wants to help instead of waiting for someone else to do it then complain. Its good though too that this is out there because it has brought awareness to this problem like the wild horses and burros who have also been saved and rescued with many people adopting them as well. Here is there site and direct link to this issue -

Nicki Bratz - #146 - 2013-08-28 15:25 - (Reply)

If anyone wants to help these Tortoises plz call these #s or visit these websites. I am so surprised no one has posted any of this info even this site didnt bother looking any of this up. I just cant sit back and believe anything anymore unless I check it myself. Especially if it means helping and saving ALL our animals that we may cause harm too. Here is some info for helping and adopting these Tortoises and other animals in danger - Animal Foundation at 702-384-3333 ext. 131 - (Southern Nevada)- (Northern Nevada)- If you live in California, Arizona or Utah, contact your state Fish and Game agency. Thank you - Nicki

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