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Sunday, August 25 2013
Sun, August 25 2013 at 17:45
The U.S. Bureau of Land Management announced it will kill hundreds of threatened desert tortoises it's been caring for at a Nevada conservation facility. The slaughter is being blamed on a lack of funds by the agency.
Real estate developers in southern Nevada who wanted to disrupt the habitat of threatened desert tortoises to build their little enclaves of air conditioning and irrigation in the arid suburbs of Las Vegas have been able to do so -- for a fee. And while at the height of the real estate boom those fees went a long way toward providing refuge for displaced tortoises, the real estate bust has seen the program implode.
From the Washington Post:
Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they’ve been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990.
Read more here. And weep.
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Ever think of turning them lose out in the Desert? What total morons at BLM. Ted Turner has a Desert Conservency in NM. Give them to him!
If you knew anything about Desert Tortoises you would know that releasing them back into the wild will do more harm than good. Why you ask?
These creatures have preserved for HOW LONG? And without human contact. Let them go and the best case scenario is that they adapt to their surroundings and live. Worse case scenario, they die a natural death.
its against federal law to kill these animals they are endangered on list, let these guys go ,in a place where this is some vegetation and small water source ,they will live for years, dont need us at all, and they serve a very good purpose, they eat ,unwanted vegetation, and burrow, that helps our land, they turn soil , and minerals are renewed by this
Did you write that from your home... Built on land previously occupied by natural, wild species? Or maybe from your car in the parking lot of your local supermarket, built by a greedy developer... where greedy customers buy geoceries for their greedy families. Have you ever sold a home, or ever plan on selling your home? Will you sell it for the same price you bought it for, or will you be greedy and make a profit?
Not so! They are not so delicate and infectious. This is a big lie having been told for years by BLM and the tortise foundation trying to keep people from taking wild tortises from the wild.
How about offering them for adoption in pairs or more to responsable people with the right place to care for them
I will adopt a pair if given the opportunity. I have 3 acres in Dallas with lush vegetation.
Nonsense. It is a government boondoggle caused by a heavily bureaucratic operation. They could offer these turtles up for adoption, I have several acres fenced and would love to have a few.
How can we contact Ted Turner's association to see if he can help?
Rather than kill them they could give them to people say they could be independently taken care of our government is going to kill them yet they fine us25k for moving them out of the road save a turtle demand it they kill them i will personally press charges for aniMAL CRUELITY
my understanding is that tortoises cannot be relocated.
its better to TRY to relocate them instead of letting them be executed.
They can be re-located, if not, how in the hell did they get relocated to start with.
Really? You really think animals that are being cared for in a domesticated environment will be able to survive in the desert? That's like saying let's turn you loose in the desert and see how long you survive. Or hey- I can't care for my dog anymore, so I'm going to let it loose in the the desert because they can survive. Common sense much?? Maybe before calling someone else an idiot you should take a look in the mirror.
Late to the conversation, this comment was so BEYOND stupid I had to drop a note. Turtles of all kinds do just fine when released from captivity. They're NOT domestic animals. They readapt with ZERO problem. And the one who talked about infections and bacterias was just as idiotic. How 'bout knowing what you're talking about before you post garbage.
If it were you, would you rather be killed or let loose with a high percentage to die? Personally, I'd want to be given a chance. I used to own two tortoises that I caught wild. During a tough time in my life, when I was going through a depression and couldn't properly care for any animal, I released them. This was about an hour's drive from where I originally caught them. 1 had scars on his shell from having been hit by a car. About 5 years later, a friend posted a pic of a tortoise he found in the same place as I had caught mine. It was the same tortoise.
I have a desert tortoise I live on 10 acres you can bring as many tortoises to my house As you want! please this is ridiculous you cannot kill them there's already not very many left ....
I really hope you're able to take some in. Need help?
Yes I too have turtles and 4 acres a few could come and live here, I would feed them! Black Beauty Ranch in TX would probably take some. They don't need to be killed, that is ridiculous!
We have three and can care for about 6 more. So I can take six. We are a non profit caring for turtles and tortoises at www.turtletowninc.com
Debbie you will be a hero to many - thank you for being so king and opening your heart to these poor cretures. Let's just hope that BLM wake engages their brain and let's them move to your place..
Let the general public adopt them....Arizona Sonora Desert Musuem here in Tucson has a tortoise adoption for private individuals. Captive tortoises CANNOT be released back out into the desert as most are infected with an upper respiratory virus that would further spread.
That's a great idea....let people adopt them for a small fee and people will do it and BLM will get a little money in return....so sad it's all about the money.
blm has stringent guidelines that must be followed in order to adopt a tortoise.
Yeah, they rather kill them than adopt them out? If they knew they were running out of funds, why in the hell did they not start looking for ways to get them to other rescues or finding suitable adopters?
Well said! This is unspeakably stupid and cruel. The problem needs a good resolution no matter the damn cost.
I would like to see the proof of this upper respiritory virus. so far it sounds like a umor. before spreading it, please look for tangible proof of it's existance...
There is always a way if you have enough heart you will fight for the tortoises turtle !!!
I'm with you! And I live in Nevada and I'm a registered voter. Elected officials in Nevada will lose at least one vote over this if they don't do something about it. I'll be looking for action from somebody!
If its all about money. Sell some of them to foreign tourists who frequent Vegas for insane $. How about adoption ???
This doesn't have to happen...the government has money somewhere. I know there is so much waste and overpayment for government contracts. FIND THE MONEY AND SAVE THE LITTLE CREATURES.
Wake up. We are 17 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt! Or close to it. I know, that number is so big it is hard to conceive how deep the debt is. There is no money!
The US spends more on defense each year than China, Russia, and eight other countries COMBINED. There is money.
We're about to find the money to bomb Syria. We just built 3 $15 million Border Patrol facilities on the Canadian border in Washington state. We have somewhere near 800 foreign military bases around the world. Tax Wall Street and the 1%, invest in a sustainable economy, and we'll pay that debt off. Keep believing Wall Street lies and we'll be back in the Dark Ages. The only question is whether we'll breech their walled enclaves and take them with us. I'm betting yes.
Why are they not offering these tortoises to zoos and aquariums across the country??? Or to other animal sanctuaries???
Why is the BLM's only answer to KILL everything? What kind of people do we have working for us?
Surely there must be a better way, adopt them out, give to zoos, aquariums, sanctuaries, preserves, or let them loose in the dessert, but don't kill them. Unbelievable this agency has no integrity whatsoever.
I believe if Kingsnake.com got involved not only as a vehicle to stop the killing but also to as advertised on their site "adoption" a good majority of these animals might. It needs to be done expeditiously.
My brother works at at elementary school in Arlington VA, and takes care of 5-6 tortoises. The kids get to learn about tortoises, my brother loves it, and the tortoises get to LIVE.
this is ridiculous!! anyone of the suggestions that have been made by the other people who have commented would solve the problem! what do we pay you for anyway?? get it together, and think of a different solution than killing, like adoption or asking for donations.
I own 20+ acres in the desert south west, my land is free to house any and all of this little animals.
Why don't they offer the tortoises to herpers? Wouldn't giving them to others to care for be better than murdering them??????
With all the money the government wastes, this is not an option.
Egregious, unnecessary, adhorant... i could go on. dismantle the BLM now. they are a useless killing entity!
DEFUND and DISMANTLE BLM with fish/wildlife services Those rogue agencies SLAUGHTER MILLIONS of wild animals EVERY YEAR in the USA What a bunch of ruthless idiots!
This is so wrong.. I have a huge yard and would be will to take some. Stop this..
This is ludicrous. The government pays $1000 for a hammer or a light bulb, then, doesn't have enough money to care for endangered tortoises and wants to slaughter them! What kind of people make these decisions -- a bunch of sociopaths??!!......Send them to zoos & sanctuaries across the nation, relocate them to a more suitable area in the wild, or even offer them as pets with detailed instructions (I'll take a few!), rather than mercilessly murder them. At least, they'd have a chance for life. It was fine to put them in a "sanctuary," when it meant someone being able to destroy their habitat and reap big profits, but, now they're inconvenient!.....How pathetically miserable and unethical. Our government needs to grow a conscience. Please, save these tortoises. They do not deserve to be killed as a non-priority. So sad and just plain wrong.
Yes Donna, sociopaths are ruining the human race for the rest of us advanced brain humans. We need to stop them but they are significant in number. 30+% of the human race are socio/psychopaths.
Great read and I love the images! I try to read almost anyting on this topic that I can. I have been in the hobby for about 30 years, in fact I started with turtles.
This wicked Killing machine OF THE USA government > the BLM iS out OF Control; ! AND NEEDS PUT OUT OF BUSINESS AND HELd ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MILLIONS OF WILD LIFE THEY HAVE EXTERMINATED! Wild horses /burros/ wolves/ coyotes,bears /mountain lines / otters / badgers on & 0n. Why does this stupid lazy heartless government hate animals so much? And misuse tax dollars they have used to wipe out animals. It is time to audit fine jail and disband this branch permanently ! Why do these gov. people be have in such a sinister way as to wipe out animals? Whats in it for this government??? they are ruthless monsters like Hitler.
i like carol and a few others why is it the gov.only way is killing- know there is money ask obama and people have big yd why is it every ones first instinst is to kill we r savages causes thats there first instinst find the money donate set the tortoises free anything but killing them
What is happening at this point? I totally agree that that BLM is a killing machine.What you said is the truth.
Have you heard anything about this issue? I to have a tortoise and have plenty of room. I love them. DOMESTICATED tortoises can NOT be released back into the desert.They have had a home and are given their food and water. They wouldn't know how to find all that themselves after being cared for for so long. I would love to hear what the resolution is and be able to adopt. Any information about this issue would be greatly appreciated.
why is it ALWAYS the animals that pay, we take there home lands put houses on it, take them out to god knows where and now there going to be killed, There is grant money that no ones knows how to get from the govermment so just put it to the tortoises care
Um...or they could just open the gate. It' sot like they really need humans to care for them. Just to let them alone.
Just another government strategy to try to get those of us who care to support this worthwhile effort, to support governments unending need for $. We can save these animals in other, less costly ways.
I would gladly take a couple to go with the one I already have. I have a large fenced yard for them to roam and lots of Bermuda grass for them to munch on. If anyone knows if they will allow adoption please let me know. I am willing to travel to pick them up.
this is messed up the gov can kill these great animals but yet let no one own them were is the logic in that ...fish and wildlife took away my desert tortoise that I had for 30yrs what a shame I still cant sleep because of it I love him and im gonna fight to get him back he wasn't just a pet he was my buddy... for those of u who had the privilege to own 1 u know what im talking ABOUT THEY R VERY SMART AND PERSONABLE.. I MISS MY CACTUS.. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SAVE THESE PRESIOUS ANIMALS
So sorry to read they took away yours. but plan to kill hundreds... It is awful....
Pity the lowly reptiles! If they were Sage Grouse or Bighorn Sheep the entire West would be screaming in outrage.
This is just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from the BLM. Never make a plan for any contingencies and then, when they hit the wall they always opt for just killing the problem off--literally. Never think things through and never plan for the worst. Just blunder on through until their back is to the wall and blast the problem away. Idiots...
Is this some kind of sick joke? Turn them over to another wildlife conservation organization to release in appropriate habitat. JFC!!!
What can we do to put a stop to this? Is there a petition that can be signed?
How is it that an endangered species can be slaughtered like this? The agencies that are responsible for their protection are the same ones killing them. Have they ever thought of adopting them out? There are plenty of Zoos, Museums, Nature Centers, and even just regular people who would gladly take care of these animals. This a classic example of how protecting a species has backfired. The authorities don't want people to have them, because they're "protected" and would rather take their lives. Just remember this is how your tax dollars are spent. We pay these people to tell us we can't keep a tortoise without their permission. They'd rather kill them. I think the real protection the animals need is protection from the authorities.
DO not Kill them Adopt them out to people who will take care of them I would take a few at least they would survive. there are probably hundreds if not thousands of people willing to adopt a desert tortoise.......
PLEASE DONT KILL THESE POOR DEFENSELESS creatures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! adopting them out is such a more humane thing to do....
simple solution - do what the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum does: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/23229707/tortoises-available-for-adoption-from-the-desert-museum
simple solution - do what the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum does: adopt them out
This is insane thinking -- we can't afford to keep them safe, so we will kill them?!? What happened to reaching out to the community for adopters? This is an endangered species -- isn't killing them illegal?!? The BLM is running an animal concentration camp and committing genocide -- I bet there are posters up on the gas chamber walls talking about nature and the good of all.
yep and they will do it to us next first the tortoises then the Humans
I literally can't think of a worse option than killing them, nor anything to justify this decision. Even releasing them into a random place would be better, at least some of them might live. JEESH. Terrible.
I see several alternatives above. How about the Desert Tortoise Preserve in southern Utah?
i don't even have words to show how angry i am about this. this is citizen blackmail, as in, "hey, if we put this story out there that we are going to kill them, then all of us will donate and the bml will get what they want, the greedy sob's!! Desert Tortisious (Can't spell) are loving and smart. I had a couple of them when I lived in Vegas, and they are awesome pets, even though you don't see them during the winter! lol
Oh my God! I'll take one, we had one the entire time I was growing up, they are easy to care for, and they make great house pets as well.
Lets take one million dollars off of obamas next vacation in a few more weeks and pay for their care ..I am sure we would miss the tortoises much more than oone more game of golf ! If obama doesn't fix this then he sucks even more than I already thought ,and I didn't think that was possble
It has been shown to be myth the statements about President Obama has taken more vacations than other presidents. His numbers of vacations pale compared to the vacations of President George w and other republicans. You just use any occasion to bring up your hatred for our President and you listen to Fox News lies to fuel your hatred of the black man in office. He has nothing whatsoever to do with the problem of the tortoises, for god's sake. Leave him out of it and direct your anger in the right channels. We are having economic problems solely due to policies and actions during the Bush years--what was done during those years we will reap for perhaps forever.
I will build a home for them and take care of all of them. I've always loved Tortoises.
Is there a petition started to put them up for adoption? Or an email or letter writing campain that we can all join? If not we need one started tonight, start calling in the morning and emailing and writing. This is not acceptable.
Exactly. Is there one set up somewhere yet?
Don't kill them. How can they kill them???? There are ways to save them and they know it~ If this group ends up killing these precious animals they will all and I mean everyone involved will burn in eternal hell fire!!! & They will suffer the rest of their lives and loose all the people they love to horrible disease.
I live in hot dry Texas. I'll take em all! Where do I pick em up?
I just started a petition on the White House Petitions site, We the
Where is the petition can you forward me the link?
someone said they took the petition down? I don't know for sure.
I never heard of anything as selfish and demeaning as this.Just the fact they would even consider this is discusting. I hope that there is a backlash over this in a big way and those involved are held accountable. Adopt them out to anyone who will take them (Canada could use some) it's better than just killing them, what a total disrespect for life,discusting
Thank you Cindy, I signed your petition.
I signed the petition! I have also posted links on facebook pages for repticon, reptiles magazine, sea turtle conservation, along with two reptile rescues.
Oh goodness. No money? Can't you organize a fundraiser, or get money from that government of yours that doesn't mid sending billions t Israel?
What else would you expect from a gooberment that believes cruise missiles are the answer to everything? Is there any question why there are those who say BLM stands for Bureau of Lost Minds?
Why can't they just release the turtles into the wild? why do they have to kill them?
Look at the answers above. At the beginning of this chain of texts and you will find your answer as to why they can't just release them back into the wild. It is not safe for the tortoise.
WHAT? How can I adopt one?? My father has a decent back yard in the CA desert. We could totally take care of one! We had one when I was a child (until he escaped by digging under the fence.) Anyone have any info as to how I can save at least one??
If anyone has any information as to how i can adopt one please let me know. I go to vegas from CA every month.
Further proof that industry can't be trusted to compensate for the destruction created by its projects/profits over the long term.
I agree with everything that's been posted before here. It's government business as usual, targeting emotional and social issues under the pretense of funding cuts --- fire and police protection, teachers, libraries, national parks ... now turtles.
Once again the dysfunctional government destroys another program they set up. Do they ever think about the future when they put these plans together. Take the special health care and retirement programs away from the elected officials and donate the money to these programs.
Where is all that funding they charge at the DMV for the tortoise and burros going?
It is the BLM that should be shuttered. Amazing how the only answer they can ever come up with is to kill everything with as much brutality as possible.
If there is a hell... I those who commit atrocities like this all across our planet find themselves there.
What kind of a budget does the BLM have to work with? I am only reading of shortfalls in money for wild horses, now it is land tortoise habitat. Where are they spending it, in relation to personal wages. Sounds like the BLM is living in an expensive house but the individuals they are paid to protect are dying? Where are the figures?
Must simply not be allowed to happen. The precedent its sets, the responsibilities it allows government employees to evade, the consciousness it represents, all forebode a range of stupid, if not evil decisions.
Inhumane and wrong. As a people, we have a responsibility to protect all animals.
Im all for adopting a few they are mArvelouse creAtures who should be saved not destroyed something should be done to stop this maddness
Why the FUCK don't they adopt them out? Why don't they make the developers pay for them? Ask the casinos to help? Las Vegas people get your shit together! Fuck. I could find homes for some but, live in Arizona. Such a shame. This must be stopped!
they can be taken to an island where they will no be prey there are small pockets of islands where they can live out their life without fear of loosing this creature forever
Typical bureaucratic way of handling things, just kill everything so the developers can have their way. Time to stand up to these morons and show them who they work for for. This is so absurd, stop sending OUR tax dollars to the rag heads in the Middle East and spend it at home.
Nevada is sooooo picky about who can adopt them and they set the levels so high about 3% of the people who put in for adoption don't make it. And there tortoise site on making a habitat for tortoise sucks. Arizona has great sites on how to create habitats for tortoises no questions asked. Nevada wants to know why and who you are before you get info. They are tying there self’s up with bureaucratic bull and people who would rather kill them than let people who want to adopt them try. at least they will have a fighting chance.
WHF are you killing turtles?? when you tried to save them in the first place. Makes no sense!!!
Ever think of making a HOA fee for these communities that displace the turtles and charge a small fee to cover the cost of relocation or the overhead of the BLM?
But yet the Federal Govt will spend million $ for a birthday party for the prez..
From my experience, the White House Petition "opportunity" is a farce. For one thing, there have to be 100,000 signatures in 30 days for Obama (more likely some low-level assistant) to even read them. Then you get a "canned" response. Anyone who signed the numerous Marijuana petitions with HUGE followings figured that out. IMO, Change.org and MoveOn.org are better vehicles and reach a wider audience.
Ask, and ye shall receive! Change.org Petition posted 3 hours ago. Comment, sign, and share, Share SHARE!!!
Why would they even consider this, there are so many people who would love to care for one of these gentle creatures, and I am sure schools would love to have this addition to their classrooms. I owned one for 20 some odd years while my children were growing up and they are wonderful. This is just more BLM BS!!!!
I don't support terrorism, but in this case I would not be surprised if some of those BLM people who kill these endangered animals might end up being endangered themselves.
The Red Cliffs Desert Reserve in St George, UT was established just for the desert tortoise. This reserve is 100 miles from Las Vegas. Why not release them to a protected desert just for the tortoise.
I understand that releasing them into the wild is dangerous since they were raised in captivity but if officials give the option to release them or kill them I say release them. It at least gives them a fighting chance to develop immunities which this species has done for hundreds of years. It sucks but killing them offers no chance.
Where is the CBD or Sierra Club? Will they not step in and block the slaughter of these protected creatures when off-road vehicles are not involved. I guess its not just the nasty off roaders tho are killing the tortoise now, are they?
I had a California Desert tortoise for over 20 years when he finally passed away at a ripe old age of 90+ years old. He was registered with the California Turtle Tortoise Society, though he was not adopted through them.
Terrible! Please do not murder these defensless animals. Think of something!!!!!!
Everyone, please make sure to head over to the White House petitions website and sign the petition to help save these poor guys
Please sign and SHARE!!!
Petition The White House to save the Nevada tortoises: http://tiny.cc/3ntf2w
Isn't there a Federal Law against disturbing or harming the endangered Desert tortoises? How is it the BLM is exempt from this law. I have a friend in Tuscon AZ whose house was built around or over a tortoise borrow/cave... unknown to everyone. Once she moved in and things settled down, the tortoises came out and have lived happily in her yard every since, decades now. Her neighbors tell the same story. We can live in peace with them for the rest of our lives. Let people adopt them. BLM, you are not exempt form the laws.
I tried tp call the tortiosegroup....needless to say no humans no connecting links... the petition from above has no link...if i can get the link to work it needs to go viral
I Share My Home And Life With A African Tortoise And This Makes Me Sick!!!
A. It's not a BLM facility. It's a private facility that receives funding from the BLM.
They closed the petition!!!
YOU CAN'T RELEASE CAPTIVE DESERT TORTOISES BACK INTO THE WILD!!!!
I just signed the Petition regarding the Desert Tortoises. Please sign as well to help them.
I have adopted and bred desert tortoises for over 20 years. They were protected, and we're watched out for. Now you are going to kill them? Horses that roam, you are going to kill.
PLEASE contact the Desert Museum in Tucson. There is a program in Tucson where individuals can adopt these tortoises. Killing them is a NOT an acceptable solution. Put out a public plea for funding... go the the developers in Nevada (the ones who took the tortoises habitat in the first place) and ask for donations that they can use as tax write-offs. There are solutions. Murder is not one them.
Just set the turtles free. Why is this such a hard solution to find?
I just got this in an email from a friend - I'd encourage your group to check into the desert preserve. You can start with Senator Diane Feinstein's office. That project was here baby. If you are unaware....her husband Richard Blum had been purchasing desert land for years, not on the cheap, but the VERY cheap under the belief that eventually the demand for housing would stretch into the deserts of California and he's sell the land and make billions. He screwed up....the growth of LA continued to stick to the coastal areas and not much more than 20 miles inland. The costs associated with carrying the land were breaking him yet he couldn't sell it to get out of it. He had tried several times to do a land swap with the gov't without interest from them...they didn't need anymore desert land, so he financed and ran his wife for the Senate. Her first piece of legislation was the California Federal Tortoise Preserve. The got the act passed, and naturally they needed land....lots of land and by golly, she knew just who "might" be willing to do a swap for some prime land in downtown SF, LA, Sacramento or any other valuable land. Sadly the people don't know how these deals work. In most cases the federal gov't is restricted from selling land it owns, so say they own a lake with a thousand acres surrounding it. Most would consider that a prime piece of land and the value of it, with the lake in the middle would be quite high. So...Charlie sees an opportunity where if he had that land/lake, he could develop it and make some big money....the only problem...the gov't can't sell it. But....they have some land several counties away they'd like (for whatever reason) but don't have the money in their budget to purchase it. This is where "we the people" always get screwed. The various gov't agencies while selling land or buying land is next to impossible....swapping it can be done with little problem, but the screwing comes in because the land isn't valued on market value.....it's just an acre for acre, sq.ft for sq. ft swap....so Diane's husband was able to trade out of millions of acres of virtually worthless land for millions of acres of much more valuable, or very valuable land. And that's the story of how we got the Federal Tortoise Preserve.
The post #90 Charlene Swanki is 100% true. Finstens Hubby has made billions from shady land deals, Enough to jail her. He has been brokering and purchasing large swaths of lands in California.Known as Catellus properties once owned by the RR companies. Conflict of interest? LOL There are enough deals to put them both into jail for many years. DF and her hubby own so much, they think the west belongs to them. Back in 90s they donated a bunch to BLM and it created new wilderness and with heavy opposition. back a couple of years ago they attempted again to add 1.1 millions of acres for even more wilderness, it keeps fizzling in DC. now we have every Tom,Dick,And Harry renewable energy company looking to develop solar and wind farms, Guess what? DIFI started pushing harder and harder to get the bill at the time # S 2921, the number has changed, but the land grab looms over us. Right in the middle of all this development VS extreme preservation is the desert tortoise. They are a tool to stop big development, like add jobs to California. DIFI could care less, she wants to lock up the entire west. Keep those air conditioners running coastal towns, There will be not enough power to keep all of them running LOL
Do Not believe this story! It's complete BS! Torotises are federally & internationally protected under CITES - who will come unglued if these bumpkins put the tortoises down!
That thare is just stupid. Take them to the beach and turn them loose. Then they can be sea turtoises.
Just want to say that I think that so many people would be willing to adopt them, so no need to destroy any of them. I have a fenced pretty big yard and would love to have a couple to take care of....
This is all about real estate. More ticky tacky quick buck shit boxes at the expense of nature.
please send some to me I have raised care for land turtles I'll take some to save them
Why not let people volunteer to take these tortoises and care for them??! I'm sure people would step up to help!
WTF? It seems everything the BLM touches gets the "kiss of death"... the wild mustangs, and now the tortoises... while the dam pupfish live in cushy conditions with a 24 hour closed tv monitoring system.. on a SECURE site....GRRRRRR....
Just the last of Obamas doz or so lavish vacations this year cost us about 100,000,000, how long could that keep the center open? Maybe he doesn't just hate and despise the people of this nation, maybe he hates the turtles too.
Just so sad! Please, people, make this better! Killing protected animals because you can't care for them?? Criminal !! Just plain Criminal !!!
The petition is NOT closed. We have 620 signatures and we have a long way to go.
how can we the people adopt them..i have homes for 10 so far
Please, whoever is organizing resistance to this slaughter, please email me, send me the petition to sign, etc. I will post it and repost it on Facebook. There is no reason these animals have to die. Has anyone thought about suing the BLM for violation of the ESA or CITES?
Maybe if the US govt spent a little less money on war and little more in thier own back yard this would not need to happen
This is outrageous. the govt needs to step up and help out and find a way to save them. they dont have the right to kill them.
Not enough words to say how horrible this is. Cindy Vedder, I just signed your petition also. Thank you for starting it.
Is there any way to adopt them? I have 2 and would give anything to help save more!:
This is from an ABC article: "scientists examined the facility's 1,400 inhabitants to find those hearty enough to release into the wild." They could release them they simply choose not to. Here is the link to the story: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desert-tortoise-faces-threat-refuge-20060609
It really is a shame & heartless that our government would not only allow this to happen but are funding it? When you are desensitized to killing helpless creatures it's only a matter of time when we will become the target of extermination. Life is life, whether it's human or not.
So, how can we help? Kudos to the lady with 10 acres for her offer. Are there rescues out there for this sort of thing? I don't know much about Herpetology, but I've always been fond of tortoises. Is there much of a force getting together to help with this?
Hence again proved , human is the most dangerous and selfish species on this planet.What a shame !!
why don't they put them up for adoption? They make good pets & are fairly easy to take care of. Our grandson had a pair & they even laid eggs. After they get use to you when you come into the area where their tank is, they will come over to the side of the glass near you & look at you expectantly for treats (fruit).
This is absolutely shameful. They have plenty of money to spy on their own (and other countries) innocent citizens, plenty of money to persecute those who reveal the truth, plenty of money to start wars: but not enough to do to do the right thing by species that were there long before the human plague devastated the planet. A harmless creature that hurts no-one and threatens no-one, and that it would take (comparatively) financial peanuts to save. This tells you all you need to know about the morals, ethics and priorities of 'our leaders'. Appalling.
After building the people houses, place them into the subdivision with the mindset that the grounds are kept as habitat and not "lawn".
I have 2 desert tortoises that were born in captivity at a friends house. All my friends are crazy about them and always ask me how I got them and whether they can get one!
A petition has been started on Change.org that asks the BLM to seek alternative means to this. If you cannot locate it google Bureau of land management and desert tortoises and it should pop up. Please everyone go there and sign it, there plans for these amazing animals is horrendous.
These animals need special care. The average person is not equipped to adopt one. They live over one hundred years and can reach 200 pounds. Adoption is a long term commitment. Zoos and preserves do not want them.I don't know what the answer is, but I truly hope they do not kill them. I have had one for five years. I know what it takes to keep one and it is work.
Billions of taxpayer dollars being fraudulently spent on Obamaphones -- BLM could certainly use these dollars!
i am interested in adopting-- what do i need to do? can someone direct me?
I'm organizing if I am able a project for placements of these tortoises. I'm a philanthropy attorney based in Las Vegas. It will likely comprise a kick starter crowd source and finding both temporary and permanent placement for the animals so they cannot infect others of their species. If youre interested in hosting animals, you're a biologist or can otherwise provide non-financial help pleAse contact me at gsegal0. At. Yahoo. Thanks. Greg
I live in phelan ca and would be happy to take a few tortoises. I had 12 growing up.
Obama's debt is Getting worse...there is no hope for us or the desert tortoise..its a shame for man kind and all animals.
I have kept tortoises most of my life and would like to adopt one if possible.
perhaps a little less money to "guests" and little to the native tortoise.
Leave it to the Real Estate Developers to ruin the World and all it's species that should be protected. How can we stop them?
I've signed the petition and sent the link to a friend in CA.
I agree with everyone who votes to save these wonderful peaceful creatures, I would even adopt a few myself if they actually allowed this to happen. Killing is never the answer, nor acceptable. I too question what kind of individuals we have in the high places that make these horrid, heartless decisions. Sad and shameful!
I am friends with one of the Channel 13 news reporters, and showed him this article - he pitched it to the brass today! Maybe with some publicity, this crisis can be averted - I'll let you know if it gets picked up.
I went to the Nevada Department of Wildlife FB page, and posted the article under By Others.
This is absolutely ludicrous! Here people adopt them and we have a wonderful program for getting them back into the wild. BLM has no problem condemning land because they don't want to pay a fair price to the rancher/owner, so why not murder a defenseless animal? I can't stand the BLM.
They are NOT euthanizing the tortoises... please check your facts before writing an article.
Skylar, that's a hopeful article, but I have little trust in ANYTHING that depends on the whims of our government, especially in this worsening economy and shift in national priorities. Better to take the entire project private under the auspices of a perpetual foundation.
You can sign a petition to save the tortoises. The link is below! https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/save-tortoises-blm-nevada-blm-claiming-they-have-murder-hundreds-tortoises-they-dont-we-can-hlp/2vWtBvgX
I HOPE WE BRING HOPE AND SAFE THE TORTOISES LIVES .
This facility is not a federal owned facility. They receive some funding. BLM is not the one deciding what to do... http://www.examiner.com/article/san-diego-zoo-no-euthanasia-of-threatened-tortoises-despite-ap-report
Give them homes, I'm sure there are alot of people that would love to have them? I had one growing up when I lived in Calif! I would take one now? Please save them, what can we do to stop this??
I live in the desert. Have a marvelous yard they would be protected in. I could take one or two...
Anyone would know that if the desert is their native habitat, simply letting them roam away would be the best effort. that such dumb humans exist is absurd. What is absurd are humans bolstering their poor egos by comparing their intelligence to other animals or things such as ROCKS as a sign of being more intelligent, if they can't or won't compare themselves to the highest standards, they should not compare at all. So many defective departments, interested in how others brilliant would approach the protecting of sanity and dismantling of yet another Bureau. Maintaining the variety of life is same as keeping your own house in order. Mentioned much about the Europeans driving GMO's out of their countries using guerilla tactics, what would have the same effect in the U.S.?
This is a mis-stated article... Read the above article postings.... The facility is owned by San Diego zoo. BLM has nothing to do with this other than they said it will have to cut funding.... Research this yourselves!!!
The article was mistaken in several important ways. No healthy tortoises are being euthanized -- only those VERY few that are too ill to be released to the wild. The BLM role has been to fund the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center. When the funds run out in 2014 the Center will likely close. But all tortoises that can be released to the wild will be. If you live in Nevada and want to adopt a tortoise, contact the Lied Animal Shelter in Las Vegas.
I'll never be a fan of the BLM, but Jb is right!!! This is a statement DIRECTLY from the the PR Department at the San Diego Zoo
Has anyone actually read or contacted the US Bureau of Land Management Nevada?? I did in fact I even went on there site and it is the same thing they told me over the phone. They are NOT killing all these Tortoises only a few that are really sick but this wont be until 2014 and even then they are pushing to adopt 1st and the healthy ones will be sent to other sanctuaries in other states. They have no interest in killing any of them. They even but #'s on there site to adopt if anyone here wants to help instead of waiting for someone else to do it then complain. Its good though too that this is out there because it has brought awareness to this problem like the wild horses and burros who have also been saved and rescued with many people adopting them as well. Here is there site and direct link to this issue - http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en.html
If anyone wants to help these Tortoises plz call these #s or visit these websites. I am so surprised no one has posted any of this info even this site didnt bother looking any of this up. I just cant sit back and believe anything anymore unless I check it myself. Especially if it means helping and saving ALL our animals that we may cause harm too. Here is some info for helping and adopting these Tortoises and other animals in danger - Animal Foundation at 702-384-3333 ext. 131 - www.tortoisegroup.org (Southern Nevada)- www.sierrawave.org/rttc (Northern Nevada)- If you live in California, Arizona or Utah, contact your state Fish and Game agency. Thank you - Nicki
The Crowdfunder site could help, I know a lot of people who have raised money for other causes on it.
if there are so many of us out there that would love to have a turtle to take care of wouldn't it make more sense to give them away instead of killing them??????
Regarding the tortoises. Are you kidding me? We live in New Mexico near the AZ border on 12 acres and there are thousands of acres of unoccupied desert all around us. Pack up a couple hundred of those tortoises and we'd be glad to come up and get them and turn them loose here. We'll even throw out some food for them, but they'd have plenty of food to eat right here in the desert. Do not kill them. It is not your right to do so.
There are PLENTY of people who keep turtles and tortoises, especially in arid regions of the US. They should be offered up for adoption to qualified keepers. This is a disgrace. Boo, humanity.
This isnt about them running out of funding, the BLM has been selling fracking permits all over this area and running people out of business to do it.
We are willing to help raise funds for the tortoises.Is it too late?
The BLM is frighteningly sketchy and crooked. They are doing the same with America's mustang herds. Taking payoffs from cattle ranchers, rounding up the mustangs to free up more range for cattle and selling them to kill buyers who take them to slaughter houses. The issue here is money. Period.
The BLM is running out of money, but look here at the amount they are doing to spend to confiscate Bundy's cattle to 'save' the tortoises that they are going to kill.
So your idea of a solution is to kill these animals.If they are suppose b a big problem try moving them. What is wrong with this world today, all people think about is money.Pretty soon there won't be any trees left or animals and all that will be here are a million homes that nobody can afford to live in or empty banks because people aren't making enough money to put in it. The
fire the feds! they are all together! they allow it in their country so their involved! stand together and take the snipers and the feds out! Get your guns and ammo there is a real revolution coming! how many of you fear the Luciferian feds? they are going after land to train their army and control water and mineral rights, cant you see the agenda, it's not about the animals, it's about mineral rights and water, they get it then tell you, how much you can grow or sell, were you can sell and when and how much water you can have, to drink or water your crops or animals! they start in places like this to exercise the power, then put up another army of snipers or their own militia!
How about if we cut some wages from Washington and feed the ones that need it, If they are on the endangered list how can they justify killing them now???
A) Why have they been held in captivity?
Is there a public option to adopt these turtles? I would happily take a few in.
We need to start an " Adopt A Tortoise " program.If we can have an "Adopt a Highway" and get through that successfully,we should be able to save these God given creatures.Anyone know how to start this activity?
Keep them in their natural habitat and stop rescuing them . Stop the building of casinos and let the tortoise live in peace , The BLM needs to leave well enough alone.
Why not just let them free in the wild where they belong?
Here's a novel idea...set them free. They've managed to care for themselves for about a million damn years. At least in the wild they have a chance to breed and recover.
Can they be adopted out? I'd adopt one or 2 just to help. There are many turtle and tortoise rescued in Ca and Nevada and arizona?
How About the BLM skim a drop off of the TON OF MONEY they make from thing like the Burning Man Festival... Instead of Buying yet more brand new vehicles, they do the right thing and actually preserve something without demanding yet another handout.
After all these years of being told I can't ride my dirtbike in the desert because of the protected tortoise, they are just going to kill them themselves now?! I've never seen eye to eye with the BLM, and obviously still not. Lol
I do not believe that we the people are this stupid. We need to side with the turtles and get rid of the blm and forest service. I'm kinda tired of paying top dollar for people that drive around in new vehicles trying to screw us out of our hard earned money. The constitution protects us from these mudsuckers, Imagine the money saved getting these pud pulling leeches out of the system
I understand that relocating to an environment they're not used to and doesn't have the natural food sources they requore is a problem. I would be happy to adopt a tortoise or two. I just need to get educated on how to take care of them.
BLM, don't even think about killing
Let the damn things go - adopt them out - You guys are nuts - this is inexcusable. Get a clue.
Once again the BLM has caved to special interests, and the desert tortoise, like the mustang suffers because they inconveniently occupy the land wanted by greedy developers and/or ranchers. Their idea of "land management" is to sell out to the highest bidder, and the wildlife be damned. Incarcerate them until there's too many to manage, then kill them off. Thanks, BLM - don't know how you sleep at night.
OMFG, Wtf is the matter with people? I see horrible stories like this, and I'm honestly ashamed to be a member of the same species - the capacity some so-called humans have for cruelty to animals never ceases to shock and sadden me. Most Humans are really the devil in the form of humans!
First of all, animals can be released back into the wild successfully. We do it. Also as said, Tortoises are hearty and just because of being in a domestic situation does not mean they will bring harm back out into the wild. We get our hands dirty, do the work, ER and rehab, and have the miles. Any falsehood negativity is put out to naive believers to make this seem ok. NOT OK. STEP UP. There are always options...bottom line. All life is deserving to live. The drama and BS needs to stop and wisdom needs to take the lead. GET OVER IT and MAKE IT WORK! We will be contacting officials! Voices need to be heard. Wrong is just that. HELP ! Contact: Animal Foundation at 702-384-3333 ext. 131 - www.tortoisegroup.org (Southern Nevada)- www.sierrawave.org/rttc (Northern Nevada)- If you live in California, Arizona or Utah, contact your state Fish and Game agency. RHA will update if there are more contacts. ...
Adopt them out to zoos, schools, other refuge centers. There is a way other than killing them.
What is going on with this. Great teaching to our children, about mankind and the government officials ! Voting has to change, wake up everyone. Our we that shallow, the all mighty dollar is killing our planet earth and every living thing with it. Including ourselves! These are the one's incharge of land management?!?!
Isn't it illegal to kill animals on the Endangered Species List? Isn't it illegal to possess a species on the Endangered Species list? Why does the BLM believe they are exempt from the ESA and killing the tortoises? Why would these be treated any differently than the Wild Horses or Bald Eagles. The BLM can come up with a viable solution that is within the bounds of reasonableness and common sense and in compliance with the existing laws of the US.
Deband the BLM!! They are a worthless bunch of paid bureaucrats! WE pay their salaries. We've outgrown them. There is absolutely nothing that they do today, that we citizens cannot do. We are losing all of our horses, and animals and reptiles and fish due to them "euthenizing" every thing! They don't have enough to do. Deband them.
This is so sad. I have 2 desert tortoises and they are the friendliest ones I own. Wouldn't it be better to find homes for them instead of killing them, even if it is illegal to own them in some areas?
Would it be possible to adopt them out? I would love to take care of a couple of them.
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