NARBC Expo - Arlington, Texas - click for details  
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
search all kingsnake.com
News & Events: kingsnakecom turns 15 years old . . . . . . . . . .  Kerry King talks carpet pythons python laws and Slayer . . . . . . . . . .  Illinois proposes Dangerous Animals Act SB3264 . . . . . . . . . .  When people ask why you keep reptiles tell them . . . . . . . . . .  Virginia tables one exotic animal bill til 2013 leaves another active . . . . . . . . . .  Radio debate Exotic Animal Industry in the US  . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibians in decline from the Ozarks to the Western Ghats . . . . . . . . . .  Rhode Island moves to ban Pythons Boas and more . . . . . . . . . .  Longlost tortoise species not extinct after all says genetic analysis . . . . . . . . . .  Longtime kingsnakecom user shot . . . . . . . . . .  Repticon Boise Feb 1112 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  NARBC Arlington Feb 1112 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  All Maryland Reptile Show Feb 11 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Cin City Reptile Show Feb 12 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Repticon Dallas Feb 1819 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Northern Virginia Reptile Expo Feb 18 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Hudson Valley Reptile Expo Feb 19 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Repticon Jacksonville Feb 2526 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Hamburg Reptile Show and Sale Feb 25 2012 . . . . . . . . . .  Steel City Reptile Expo Feb 26 2012 . . . . . . . . . . 
click to return to kingsnake.com index
 

 

Buying your Green Tree Python

by Winslow Murdoch

Due to the collecting methods of this species, the large number of illegally imported animals, and the false documentation that comes with them, I feel that you are best buying animals that come from captive born stock (with animals whose parents you have seen and evaluated for similarity in general traits), or from reputable wholesalers that will stand behind their products. The greatest problem is when you buy animals from even reputable dealers, you often get an animal you weren’t expecting. I have seen dehydrated animals that were of good to great color that after a six month stint in captivity died unexpectedly. I have also seen animals that came from reputable dealers that were of below average color and health, advertised as screamers. Like a lot of things in life, if you want the best, you have to pay extra. Never buy sight unseen!

The market of reptiles as living art and novelties will soon make it necessary for a two tiered market to form. One will have yearling color changed animals, and there will be unknown neonates for sale at a lower price. Larger long time breeders will still have the ability to sell captive proven lines of neonates with desirable color traits in the adults for a premium.

As to the acclimation process, I always assume that even "well acclimated" wild (or even captive animals, until I get my fecal report back and finish mite treatment prophylactically, and quarantine) animals from reputable breeders are covered with mites, and full of worms, and a bevy of other parasites. I de-parasitise all animals that come into my collection with several doses of no pest strip, droncit (for tapeworm), flagyl, and panacur, and find all wild animals, regardless of who I bought from, to be heavily parasitised on arrival. Many post treatment scats initially look like fishing bait with all the round worms and tape worm segments. If the animals arrive in very good condition, with lots of fat stores and eat well, they might breed quickly in the first 6-8 months in captivity if cycled early. The risk is that they will be stressed out and die a few months after egg laying or mating, and this is a real issue with about ¼ of these female animals. Many will establish themselves well initially, but not breed successfully for 4-6 years after arrival for reasons yet unknown. Females in particular are noteworthy for this fact. As to the interest in locality specific animals, I have spoken to numerous individuals who state that all localities produce variable color types. It is hard to say with certainty that a given animal, with it’s particular yellow or blue or white speckled pattern, is without question from a given locality. We as breeders are just now trying to breed animals with similar color traits and hopefully we will have answers soon..

One last detail that I picked up at the 1997 Mid-Atlantic reptile show from Dave Barker, who I guess doe not mind researching minutia (as a taxonomist by training and volition). I couldn't think of a more tedious way to spend my years in grad school, counting snakes scales, or studying law, but without diversity of interests, our world would be a much less interesting place. He is coming out with a new book in a year or so that examines the diversity and complexity of python species native to Indonesia and New Guinea. He is stalled due to his research that has found that the old taxonomy of this area is largely inaccurate. He has now identified over five previous subspecies of amethystine python that he now feels need to be classified under separate species status. Even though they superficially have the same scale counts, they inhabit vastly different bio niches, come from isolated locations, have vastly different colors, temperament, size, and reproductive biology/fecundity, and basically are all very different. He has personally invested over five thousand dollars to a genetics lab to investigate the general, and mitochondrial genetic similarities of these superficially similar animals, and has found very significant genetic differences. Likewise, with Chondros, he has noted significant variations in this taxa, even to the point of very different scale counts among the different locality types, and feels that there are likely seven distinct subspecies (if not true separate species) that exist. He has already bred this taxa, and isn't working with them or spending $ on genetic studies, but feels the same likely applies. In his book, he will lump them together, but will likely state what is noted above. Bottom line, we really don't know exactly what we are doing! since all the species in the Indo-Australian region have all come from a common ancestry (at least that's the present party line), many of them can be intergraded, and even produce fertile offspring. This used to make them be classified under the same species, but with lower vertebrates, this doesn't hold true. By the way, I and am not an authority in these matters. if anyone has more formal training in these issues, feel free to chime in, and tell me I’m off base. I've never been good at citing literature, but i have a knack for remembering the gist of what i learn, and then never forget. sometimes not forgetting can lead to stale assumptions.

 

Sponsored By

Zoo Med Turtle Tub
advertise here

Herp Events

Reptile and amphibian expos, symposiums, zoo and museum exhibitions and other educational events are great places to ask questions, get answers and network with other herp keepers.
Upcoming Reptile and Amphibian Events:
Submit a non-profit event - Purchase a commercial listing

New/Updated

Looking for a reptile or amphibian related business? A reptile store, breeder, importer, maunfacturer or supplier? Our business directory lists some of the most popluar herp businesses in the world.
Locate a reptile or amphibian business by name:
New
 - Wonder Valley Serpentarium
 - Off The Ark
 - Casey Lazik Reptiles
 - Xtreme Exotics
 - After Dark
 - CheapHerpBooks.com
 - Pets Plus
 - Repxotica
 - Eden Reptiles
 - FloridaHerps.com
Updated
 - Wonder Valley Serpentarium
 - ExtremeHogs.com
 - LLL Reptile and Supply
 - Ben Siegel Reptiles Inc.
 - Exotic Pets Las Vegas
 - Gorgeous Geckos
 - Brian Sharp Reptiles
 - Samurai Japan Reptiles
 - Trempers Lizard Ranch
 - ballpython777.com - Mark Pe...
list your business on kingsnake.com

Connect

kingsnake.com's Connect is a beta project being developed to let the herp community stay in touch with their friends and fellow hobbyists, keep each other up to date on legislative issues as they develop, and to build and strengthen the herp community network. Registered users of kingsnake.com can use it to share photos, links, information, alerts, updates and more.
log in   find connections









Video Gallery

Check out these reptile and amphibian submitted by staff, volunteers, and users of the kingsnake.com community. Our system supports videos hosted on YouTube. If you have a favorite YouTube video, please submit it here.

more videos       submit a video

Photo Gallery

Our gallery allows registered users to upload their favorite reptile and amphibian photos to the topic galleries and personal photos to the member galleries. Photos can be used on our forums, classifieds, and Connect, or shared with friends and family.

more photos   upload a photo

snakes
lizards
amphibians
chelonians
crocodilians
venomous

Latest Classifieds

Online since 1997, kingsnake.com's classifieds are among the oldest and largest pet classifieds on the web and reach thousands of reptile and amphibian owners worldwide every day.

Enter a keyword to search kingsnake.com's classifieds.
All Ads | My Ads | Post an Ad | Remove an Ad
Purchase an Account | Renew | Upgrade
Lost Password? | Rules/TOS | Help | Tips
Complaints | DBA Search

Recent Classified Ads: updated every 10 minutes

Message Boards

Launched in 1997, the kingsnake.com message board system is one of the oldest and largest systems on the internet. Here you may share and discuss information with others about your favorite reptile and amphibian related topics such as care and feeding, caging requirements, permits and licenses, and more.
Enter a keyword to search.    Search in:
Search Tips - More - Old forum archives
All Message Boards | Login | Register | Find New
Profile| Help | Registration Help | Lost Password?
Site Rules/Terms of Service | Report Abuse

Today's Posts:

Glossary

This glossary of reptile and amphibian terminology was written and compiled by long time kingsnake.com member Gerald Germany (oldherper). Thanks to Paul Hollander, Jeff Barringer, Bill Love, and Jeff Nichols (shadindigo) for their review, corrections, additions and comments.

  Locate a business by name: click to list your business
  search the classifieds. buy an account
state/province law database
search the forums.
search in:
powered by kingsnake.com

click here for NARBC Show info the dating site for people with non-traditional pets the dating site for people with non-traditional pets
kingsnake.com® is a registered trademark of OnlineHobbyist.com, Inc.© 1997-     - this site optimized for 1024x768 resolution -