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Posted by tj on September 10, 2002 at 12:20:53:

In Reply to: Are poison-arrow frogs a danger to public health? posted by Colchicine on September 10, 2002 at 10:37:57:

they are not. Captive bred dart frogs are harmless, they don't have the toxins that wild animals do. PDF'S don't have they same diets that they do in the rain forest, this is where they get their toxins from. I had a problem with a code enforcement official about a year ago, he came to check on a gas leak and noticed my frogs hanging out in a 15 gallon tank. First thing he said, "those things are deadly". After doing a little reasearch, he found out captive bred frogs are harmless, no harm no foul. There is a ton of literature on the web, or even PDF captive care books that talk about how they lose toxicity.
Although most amphibians have toxic secretions, there are only a few that pose any danger, and it would be more to a dog or cat than a human.

:I am currently involved with helping the animal control officer of a local county modify their exotic animal ordinance. This ordinance would prohibit the possession of such "dangerous" animals as venomous snakes and large constrictors without a permit. The permit would also require a $50,000 liability insurance or bond among other stipulations.

:My main concern for this ordinance is to prevent it from being too restrictive. They are not trying to keep anyone from having these animals, they simply want some control over dangerous animals. The original ordinance listed "all poisonous amphibians" which I feel is too general. By all technicalities, all amphibians are poisonous and would require a permit and $50,000 liability insurance. This would include everything from a white's treefrog to a fowler's toad!

:After some convincing they changed the policy, but later added "poisonous amphibians to include but not limited to poison-arrow frogs". I still have problems with this since it still included all amphibians.

:My question here is, should captive poison-arrow frogs (or similar) be considered a threat to human life or health? I feel that all amphibians should be excluded from this ordinance as I never heard of anyone have serious complications from contact with an amphibian. I am not talking about eye and nose irritation, which expected from even a toad. I am speaking of disfigurement, loss of mobility, convulsions, coma or death. Can anyone cite examples of serious complications from handling an amphibian?

:I feel that poison-arrow frogs in particular are very very low risk for escaping and endangering the public. Most are kept in secure glass tanks and would dehydrate and die within a matter of hours of escape. The only other amphibians to consider are Bufo marinus, but that is already strictly banned in the state of Va. I don't think they should require a permit, much less $50,000 liability insurance.

:I would appreciate any opinions, specific cases, or even anecdotal stories, of problems associated with the possession of amphibians.
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Follow Ups:

Re: NO..... Samcin 09/10/02 (4)
- That's the point..... tj 09/11/02 (3)
  - Re: That's the point..... Boas N Such 09/12/02 (2)
    - Apparently you didn't read my thread clearly..... tj 09/12/02 (1)
      - Re: arrowing in here at the last moment ? ..... mchambers 09/13/02 (0)