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Posted by Lester G. Milroy III on July 17, 2002 at 10:18:15:

In Reply to: Not completely true Lester! >>> posted by loren on July 17, 2002 at 00:26:50:

: A few select people, myself included, breed HLs and sell them in very limited quantities.

: Lester is right to some degree though Turtlegirl. As far as the general, surface reptile market goes, all HLs you see are wild-caught.
: However, that doesn't warrant such a blatant overgeneralization as 'there is no such thing' as CB HLs in the pet trade.

: : : : I found this website that has HL's for sale online for $16.

: : : : http://www.exoticjungle.net/
: : : : http://www.exoticjungle.net/lizards.htm

: : :"Turtlegirl", there are no such critters as captive bred horned lizards in the pet trade. All are wild caught. This is just to get you on the right track. A point of information. Best to you. Lester G. Milroy III

:Loren, I stand by my statement because there are thousands of HLs in the pet trade each year and less than 1% are "captive bred." There are no captive bred HLs in the pet trade and until that percentage increases significantly and the stress and "harvesting" of wild populations is diminished by that or greater significance, that is where I stand. Many HLs in the past, Texas HLs, Coast HLs, Regal HLs, Roundtails and Desert HLs, have been in the pet trade and laws have since been passed to exclude commercial collection and sale of HLs in the pet trade. The only species legal in the pet trade and commercial collection are the Desert HLs and a few Shorthorned lizards from Nevada and the Roundtail HLs from Texas. All others are protected from the pet trade and commercial collection. Declines in wild populations are mainly from development, loss of habitat, use of pesticides, invasion of nonnative species of plants and insects and illegal dumping in protected areas where HLs could be found. The pet trade has had an impact in the past on many species and to deny that is absurd. I am sorry if I ramble, but I see these problems all of the time in the field and in the reports I read for my research. The HLs in the pet trade have an extremely high mortality rate due to the lack of knowledge about HLs and the low success rate in captivity. Lester G. Milroy III

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: : A few select people, myself included, breed HLs and sell them in very limited quantities. : : Lester is right to some degree though Turtlegirl. As far as the general, surface reptile market goes, all HLs you see are wild-caught. : : However, that doesn't warrant such a blatant overgeneralization as 'there is no such thing' as CB HLs in the pet trade. : : : : : I found this website that has HL's for sale online for $16. : : : : : http://www.exoticjungle.net/ : : : : : http://www.exoticjungle.net/lizards.htm : : : :"Turtlegirl", there are no such critters as captive bred horned lizards in the pet trade. All are wild caught. This is just to get you on the right track. A point of information. Best to you. Lester G. Milroy III : :Loren, I stand by my statement because there are thousands of HLs in the pet trade each year and less than 1% are "captive bred." There are no captive bred HLs in the pet trade and until that percentage increases significantly and the stress and "harvesting" of wild populations is diminished by that or greater significance, that is where I stand. Many HLs in the past, Texas HLs, Coast HLs, Regal HLs, Roundtails and Desert HLs, have been in the pet trade and laws have since been passed to exclude commercial collection and sale of HLs in the pet trade. The only species legal in the pet trade and commercial collection are the Desert HLs and a few Shorthorned lizards from Nevada and the Roundtail HLs from Texas. All others are protected from the pet trade and commercial collection. Declines in wild populations are mainly from development, loss of habitat, use of pesticides, invasion of nonnative species of plants and insects and illegal dumping in protected areas where HLs could be found. The pet trade has had an impact in the past on many species and to deny that is absurd. I am sorry if I ramble, but I see these problems all of the time in the field and in the reports I read for my research. The HLs in the pet trade have an extremely high mortality rate due to the lack of knowledge about HLs and the low success rate in captivity. Lester G. Milroy III

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