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Chad Brown
Monitor Breeding Program
February 28, 2005
PHFaust: On behalf of Jeff Barringer and all of us at kingsnake.com,
I'm very pleased to welcome Chad Brown to our Seventh Annual Chat Week.
Chad is the owner of ProExotics and a football player for the Seattle
Seahawks. He says, "I started Pro Exotics in my mind in 1988 when
I got my first snake, a boa, my freshman year at CU. It wasn't until
I was drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1993 that I had a little
money in my pocket and started to really put this business together."
On top of all that, Chad describes himself as a "full time husband
and dad." Chad is a much-requested return guest, and his topic
this year is the ProExotics monitor-breeding program.
Thank you so much for joining us, Chad, and welcome!
PHFaust: And his faithful Sidekick Robyn is here to make sure
he doesnt get into any trouble
Taylor: ?
Maliyum: ?
PHFaust: ;)-
SengokuJidai_nr: ?
GODFATHERBURM: ?
RePtImAlS: ?
robyn@ProExotics: i do my part : )
hph: ?
PHFaust: Talyor Go Ahead
Heterodon62: ?
treemonitors_com: ?
Digby_Rigby_nr: ?
herper4ever: ?
Taylor: chad are you still livin in seattle
jeffb: Howdy Robyn and Chad!
caimanSR: ?
chadbrown_nr: yes i live in seattle during the football season,
and in denver during the offseason
PHFaust: Mali
RePtImAlS: Hello pro exotics, i was wondering if u work with
any dwarf boas (especially nicaraguan/central amerian boas).. also what
do u think about there future potential???
Maliyum: Waht is the best diet when a female monitor is gravid?
treemonitors_com: ?
RePtImAlS: ?
chadbrown_nr: we/i love the smaller boas. we are working with
the leopards now. we should have a few born this year. i like their
potential because i think most keepers like a smaller snake.
PHGinger: GUEST CHAT TONIGHT - Tonight is a special guest chat.
To ask our guest speaker, Chad Brown, a question, type a '?' ONCE and
WAIT for your turn to be called upon. People will be called on in order
of the que line. Thank you.
PHFaust: Mali go again dear
Maliyum: What is the best diet when a female monitor is gravid?
chadbrown_nr: mice or rats for a gravid monitor. sized to her
needs. a very gravid monitor will not like a giant meal. it could smash
those eggs in her!
robyn@ProExotics: diet for gravid monitor- that wouldn't really
vary from a normal healthy diet. i would be sure that it is well balanced,
focused on whole foods, and just be sure she is getting enough calories
and nutrition to meet the needs of the breeding process.
Maliyum: thanks
PHFaust: Sengo your up
SengokuJidai_nr: Chad, first off big time fan of you as an NFL
player and as a reptile breeder! As for my question...what is your favorite
monitor species to work with and what would you recommend for a first
time monitor owner?
chadbrown_nr: ackies, ackies, ackies. what could be better than
a full on monitor in a smaller package.
SengokuJidai_nr: Thanks man...I look forward to seeing you play
next season!
PHFlame: godfather, you're up
AngelusChame_nr: Hey, does anyone here know a good amount of
Veiled Chameleons?
GODFATHERBURM: where is your shop and do you have one in Denver?
I would like to visit I am in Wichita Kansas. Do you have a website
where I could see some of your stuff? And what is your favorite Herp?
BTW: played a little seimi pro here last year I almost forgot how much
fun it was!!!!
AngelusChame_nr: I've read up alot.
chadbrown_nr: you get a chance to learn all the things that make
monitors monitors without having a nile eating your dog.
SengokuJidai_nr: lol
SengokuJidai_nr: again...thanks
AngelusChame_nr: I need some serious help.
SengokuJidai_nr: go Seahawks!
chadbrown_nr: we closed our retail store, but we still serve
local customers on saturdays. our website is www.proexotics.com. my
favorite herp is...... let me think it changes from time to time.
SilentViper_nr: i knew a seahawk he was my neighbor.. John Tushar
jeffb: I heard it was nightsnakes
chadbrown_nr: don't know him
AngelusChame_nr: ?
chadbrown_nr: this week jeff its coachwhips
Jeff Lemm: ?
AngelusChame_nr: ?
jeffb: there ya go
AngelusChame_nr: !
AngelusChame_nr: !?
PHFaust: Reptlmais your turn
GODFATHERBURM: Thank you sir, good luck this season even tho
Im a Raiders fan LOL
chadbrown_nr: i'm really starting to fall for the ornate uro's.thats
my favorite herp this week.
herper4ever: a pitt native asking how much longer do you think
the ball morphs woll sell like hot cakes and turn in to the new corns
AND has an albino dum boas ever came up?
PHFaust: OK HpH your turn
Tarentola: ?
hph: Will you be playing again this year? When you retire will
you start working at the shop more frequently?
AngelusChame_nr: /whisper PHWyvern I need some help with my baby
chameleon, i don't want him to die of hunger or anything.
animalgurl_nr: l
Marks: ?
chadbrown_nr: i think the ball "game" has more than
a few years left. things may move quicker than they have but they won't
be corns ever. i've heard albino dumerils rumors but never seen a photo.
chadbrown_nr: i'm planning on playing this year, and i do plan
to spend more time at the shop when i retire
DrBossk: ?
PHFaust: Hetero Your turn
reptilefreak101: ?
Thomas j: ?
Heterodon62: Why no ackies this year? Whats it look like for
next year?
robyn@ProExotics: AngelusChameleon- try the Chameleon forum to
search for your answers, there is certainly a lot of info there.
jeffb: and lots of helpful people
RePtImAlS: ?
chadbrown_nr: we have stopped working with the ackies for a while.
ornates are in the ackie cages now. i'm sure we will work with them
again soon.
Heterodon62: how long do you guess till there back?
PHFaust: Treemonitors your turn
treemonitors_com: What would do you suspect as being problem/s
you experienced with your V. prasinus eggs , and what do you plan on
doing in the future to correct the problem/s?
chadbrown_nr: maybe a year or so. when we were working with them
we couldn't get them our customer fast enough
treemonitors_com: do you keep your animals in pairs or trios/groups?
chadbrown_nr: with the green trees i think its a nesting issue.
we are still tweaking the nesting bit by bit, trying to see what works.
we have had eggs in three different cages now, so we think our cage
works. now on the the nesting....
treemonitors_com: you do not think incubation had anything to
do with failure to hatch?
treemonitors_com: it seems many people experience eggs that
drown, from too much moisture towards the end of incubation
chadbrown_nr: the females have their our cages. we move the male
from cage to cage.
robyn@ProExotics: i definitely killed some viable eggs before
hatching, that was my fault...
chadbrown_nr: i think that a egg that has been nested properly
doesn't die in incubation unless things are really poorly incubated.
robyn@ProExotics: you tell people again and again- "Don't
screw with the incubator!"- and then you go and do it yourself.
it was a horrible lesson, but one that needs to be learned a few times,
apparently. there are so many subtleties to incubation : )
treemonitors_com: yes, I can attest to that...
chadbrown_nr: or things change with in the incubator too quickly
chadbrown_nr: i will give robyn grace for killing those green
tree eggs. we all learn by mistakes
dicy_nr: lol
treemonitors_com: just thought I'd bring up a topic that has
proven to hinder many keepers from succeeding..
chadbrown_nr: no hard feeling right?
CalebsHerps_nr: ?
PHFaust: Herper your turn
treemonitors_com: rather than, dude, what's your favorite snake?
PHFaust: herper going twice
chadbrown_nr: i still think nesting is a much bigger issue than
incubation. not saying that good incubation is easy!
DrBossk: Does your shop see an approximate size with your ackies
when they begin to breed? I have a trio that are reaching the 17-18
inch mark (yearlings). Thanks
PHFaust: Gecko your turn
Geckoholic: Do you plan on working with any other species of
tree monitor in the future?
chadbrown_nr: you should be seeing breeding behavior by now.
17-18 inches is now than enough size to breed.
Heterodon62: ?
gekkotail: ?
chadbrown_nr: nowadays i like to take it slowly. until we hatch
a few cluches of green trees, i see no need to start with more tree
momitors
PHFaust: Ilikesnakes your turn
ilikesnakes7792: Chad, what do you think is the best starting
out lizard or monitor? What are requirements with Lizards and monitors?
Do monitors make good pets? (I'm a snake person)
Geckoholic: I hear ya, it is always nice to have success with
what you have before you move one....wish I had the patience for that
chadbrown_nr: for someone with no lizards before, i say leopard
geckos. they will teach you about feeding bugs(how big, how many) and
lizards shed differently than snakes. much can be learned with leopards.
monitors can be great pets. i really think ackies are perfect as a single
pet, or for someone who wants a breeding project.l
CalebsHerps_nr: ?
PHFaust: Silent Viper
SilentViper_nr: chad what is your favorite snake and your favorite
lizard?
caimanSR: ?
SilentViper_nr: and also why
chadbrown_nr: current favorite lizard is ornate uro's and favorite
snake is boelen's pythons
SilentViper_nr: why are they your favorite?
reptilefreak101: do you think you will ever breed cb black rough
neck monitors? and how much will they cost? also are you i got one
reptilefreak101: srry wrong thing
SilentViper_nr: we dont need any sarcasm
chadbrown_nr: why ornate's? because they are sooooooo colorful.
and they never run or bite. boelen's because of the velvetly black skin
and the calm way they carry themselves
SilentViper_nr: thank you chad
SilentViper_nr: thanks for taking the time to talk to us
PHFlame: savannahking, you're up
PHFlame: savannah, you're up
savannah_king: ok give me a sec
PHFlame: savannah, let me go to simbo while you type
PHFlame: simbo, you're up
chadbrown_nr: rough necks are a hard lizard to sell. when we
buy farm bred babies it can take a while to sell them. so if we were
to produce a few clucthes a year, chances are we would get stuck with
a bunch of babies, or we would have to sell them for cheap.
PHFlame: ok, back to savannah
savannah_king: wut is the proper humidity for a savannah monitor
and were do you get this decomposed granite you speak of on your site
and wut is a staple diet for an 18" sav
monitors007: ?
chadbrown_nr: there is no proper humidity. your cage should allow
the lizard to choose its humidity for its needs. not just one all over
cage humidity.
chadbrown_nr: the granite is found at our local landscape yard.
for your sav, i would feed bugs and mice. roaches, worms and crickets
are greart for lizard that size.
EricC_nr: ?
savannah_king: ok thanx
PHFaust: Caimen
PHFaust: I think Caimen has left, Jeff Lemm your turn
Jeff Lemm: HI Chad (and Robyn) -Good deal on the tree monitors,
just a matter of time. You guys doing anything with Sanzinia and any
breeding if so? Also, Robyn, tried your heat gun in the field (and in
my cages), nice! Thanks!
caimanSR: sorry but I keep getting drop
chadbrown_nr: jeff- thanksfor the temp gun shout out! we have
never had sanzinia. i think they are a smoking snake. too many snakes,
not enough time!
PHFaust: OK Caimen your turn
Jeff Lemm: have a good night guys, lemme know when you want
some! Thanks
robyn@ProExotics: hey Jeff, good to hear : ) they are a great
tool. i sure would like some "in the field" Temp Gun pics
for our site : ) i will send you some shirts too, we are trying to put
together a "PE around the world" pic page, and surely you
go round the world! hit me up after the chat at robyn@proexotics.com
Jeff Lemm: nice, talk soon,
caimanSR: can you give me info on sexing ackie,because I have
5 and have goten no eggs. they are 2-5 years old,I can send pics later.
thanks from SRREPTILES
chadbrown_nr: i think jeff lemms reptiles article has sexing
photos in it. it was a few years back. you should be able to look at
the base of the tails and spot of males spurs.
PHFaust: Marks your turn
Marks: I've read your care sheet about the ackies sex being determined
AFTER hatching. Is there any scientific evidence of this or is it just
something you've noticed? Have you noticed this in other monitor species
as well?
Marks: Also, will there ever be any chance of seeing black knight
again? I'm down to my last two cans.
sterlingbp: ??
CalebsHerps_nr: ?
chadbrown_nr: i think this occurs in all lizards. if they are
put into trios or more as soon as they hatch the sex ratio is 50/50
or 40/60. not every time, but as a general rule i believe this to be
true. i have not seen any science on this, but our breeding and raiseing
of babies makes me think this way
treemonitors_com: monitors have separate sex chromosomes...
treemonitors_com: separate sexes before birth
Marks: Thanks Chad, I hope you start carrying the ackies again
soon. (and the BK as well)
PHFaust: Calebs your turn
PHFaust: Chad, including calebs, we have 4 questions, and then
i promise to untie you....
PHFaust: Calebs this is your last chance
CalebsHerps_nr: ok
PHFaust: Ready calebs?
PHFaust: Digby go ahead
Digby_Rigby_nr: Hello do you work with any non inbred locale
specific monitors and how long have you been working with the Bolens
pythons?
CalebsHerps_nr: i have a question on my lepord gecko i need to
know if my setup is ok he is 6 days old he has a water bowl a ffood
bowl with waxworms in it and paper towle bedding is that good and i
am getting box turts tomorrow what should i do to the when they arrive?
reggie_nr: here's a Bufo for you Digby < can you idendify
it ? http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=727346,727347
chadbrown_nr: i don't know what you mean by non inbred. the only
monitors we have now are green trees, white throats and a few ackies
Digby_Rigby_nr: by non inbred I mean animals that arent related
chadbrown_nr: we have worked with boelen's for about eight or
nine years.
chadbrown_nr: make sure your leopard has a few hiding places.
a baby will want be secure
CalebsHerps_nr: he dose a black one and fake plants
Digby_Rigby_nr: and are the green trees locale specific that
you work with
chadbrown_nr: i guess the ackies we worked with were related.
we got our stock from a few places, but they were all frank's blood.
CalebsHerps_nr: so about my boxies what do i do when they come
chadbrown_nr: no the green trees aren't. i have no idea where
our females are from and our male was cb in germany!
PHFaust: Calebs, you might want to check the boxie forum
CalebsHerps_nr: i did but there wasnt really an answer anywhere
Digby_Rigby_nr: okay thank you for the answer and have you tried
snails as feeders?
PHFaust: New cage set up is a pretty detailed disucssion...
Digby_Rigby_nr: green tree monitors love them
gekkotail: ??
chadbrown_nr: let them get comfortable before you start handleing
them and showing them off. i would let them eat in private for a week
or so as well.
gekkotail: How tame are your ackies? I am planning on getting
one at the next show, but have seen some pretty nasty bites. Also, how
easy are ackies to breed? In your experience do they need a brumation
period like other lizards? Thanx
PHFaust: Sengo you get the final question
SengokuJidai_nr: Chad, what is the proper diet for an ADULT Water
Monitor? Does it include rabbits? How about insects, even though they
are so big?
chadbrown_nr: we haven't tried snails yet, but ALL lizards seem
to lve roaches.
gekkotail: oh sorry, i accidently pressed enter
sterlingbp: Bob Clark, How many lavander-albinos (visuals) are
in the country and who has them?
PHFaust: Bob Clark is no longer the guest.... :) It is chad brown
JLExotics: sterling...quite a few....many people
JLExotics: 3-5 different people on kingsnake have advertised
them
chadbrown_nr: our were/are very tame. a little wiggly but they
didn't bite. we never cooled ours. our warehouse was cooled in the winter,
but the ackie cages were keep with the heat all year long.
SengokuJidai_nr: Chad, what is the proper diet for an adult water
monitor?
JLExotics: http://proexotics.com/care_water.html
gekkotail: thanks!
chadbrown_nr: adult waters eat what they want!. they will eat
the really large roaches. in fact the love them. i hand feed our white
throats big roaches all the time.
SengokuJidai_nr: thanks...how bout rabbits?
JLExotics: how are the white throats Chad? Any chance at baby
bandeds this yr ?
ghost_pit2001: do lizards have nipples,like for feeding their
young?
JLExotics: no
chadbrown_nr: i'm sure they would like rabbits. i think it would
be very messy.
PHFaust: Chad, on behalf of Jeff B., myself and all of us at
kingsnake.com, thank you so much for being our guest tonight!
To learn more about Chad Brown, please visit www.proexotics.com.
Thank you to all who joined us tonight as well. Tomorrow night we'll
be welcoming Patrick Naybors of Saurian Enterprises discussing dart
frogs, and Darrell Senneke, Director of the World Chelonian Trust, discussing
the Conservation of Asian Turtles.
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